Hi Elisa,
First I’d like to say hello to everybody in our Channeling Erik family.I was away for months for personal reasons as you already know. Now I’m happy to be back home.
As to Desteni I really don’t know what to say to you. I spent hours listening to her in 2008 and 2009 (I even might have found her in youtube as early as 2007) but I ended up giving up trying to understand what she meant. In general terms what happened was I couldn’t tell if she was serious. Sometimes she did appear to be saying things that made sense to me but then her speech would become somewhat dark. I’m going to listen to these videos anyway. Desteni used to hypnotized me back then. Please don’t laught at me! Maybe it was because of that, that I expected her to be much more enlightened than she apparently was. I never listened to her doing trance channeling, though.

Love and Light,

Nancy

Good morning. I have seen her before. As far as the content of what is said on these videos, the information is correct. As to whether she’s the real deal or a fake, I don’t know how we could judge. Does she have a cult following? I haven’t heard her say or write anything that would encourage people to follow her and cut off loving family, etc. the way, for instance, the cult my mother and ex-husband did and still does after being in existence for more than 100 years now. If I named the group, members of it would be irate and insist it isn’t a cult.

The scientific world has set a definition of what is a cult so that researchers can use the same basis in developing research modalities and evaluating a group’s literature and members’ experiences. It allows researchers to validly compare results. The definition sets forth a dozen characteristics of cults. I clearly see them and they can be observed and measured in the cult my mother was a part of, Jim Jones’ cult, etc.

In common language, terminology is used sloppily, and I’m sure there are people who would say that Elisa has set up a cult and those who follow this blog are enmeshed in a cult, but it isn’t so from my studies of human development, and I don’t believe any researcher could apply the “characteristics of a cult” to the CE Family and conclude that this group is a cult.

It’s funny that Pavaroti says the same thing about anger causing cancer, which is the same as all the books by Reiki practitioners and medical intuitives. Some of the sweetest people get cancer. The idea is that they (not without reason) have anger, and they don’t consciously see it or acknowledge it or express it, so the Self gives them more and more powerful messages trying to get the idea to be consciously acknowledged and healthily acted upon…like releasing the pressure on a pressure cooker. Instead people use inadequate coping mechanisms (overeating, drinking, drugs). The Self will give them dreams, then nightmares, then aches, then pains, then illness, etc. If, for instance, a person is in an abusive, controlling relationship, it’s far better to consciously realize it, tell the abuser their treatment of you is unacceptable and must stop, than to get on the unconscious path and end up unknowingly making oneself sick. I had stomach aches because of my husband’s mistreatment. It led to an ulcer. I then ate because I found my stomach hurt less when I kept it full. As a result I had a terrible weight problem. I could put myself through a continuous round of pain and weight loss and low self esteem, or I could grow a backbone that allowed me to speak up about the abuse. When I informed my husband that he had to cease being abusive and he refused to go with me to counseling or to change, I had the option of staying stuck in illness or leaving him. At that time I was a Christian in a Church that pointed to the scriptures where it is claimed Jesus said the ONLY basis for divorce was if a person’s partner was unfaithful. That puts a person who is being abused in huge spiritual, psychological turmoil. They have to not only leave their partner, their church friends, their church community, their god(!) or die from physical ailments. Some unconsciously choose to die.

I don’t want to give anyone the false impression that “I’m so smart; I figured it out and got out of an abusive relationship.” We were married 20 years and went through cycle after cycle after cycle of abuse. And goodness knows how many lifetimes before that that I put up with being abused rather than effectively taking a stand and listening to my Self. No one says growth is easy.

I have seem this kind of medium ship in my country. We are very used to it. Some times in a funeral some body out of the crowd ‘d start talking like the dead person saying things that only the family ‘d know. One time i saw with my own EYES in the funeral of a neighbor who got killed in other country and was brought to our country to be buried there, his spirit got into his cousin to said the name of his killer, who was one of his best friends. Also there are the kind of people who work like this. They have many guides who come inside of their bodies drink different types of alcohol eat many food, and work telling ppl what they need, then go out of their channel’s body who doesn’t remember anything at all and don’t feel drunk or anything at all. I know at least 3, but in my country this is very common also in Cuba and puerto Rico…One time a lady who was like this told me : this is hell, i just want die, this is no life.. just helping others and cant take vacations, i don’t wish any of my kids to inherit it”. Also met one lady who became christian and she said it was all diabolic and every time she ‘d go in trance she ‘d experience the worse punishment one can imagine. She publicly said that the spirits are not from god and used to abuse her in many ways in the astral world and that they feed from ppl’s fear, and that they are just cheating human kind so they forget about Jesus . That she was their victim since she was 7 yrs old. and while her mother used her to make money she was living hell. But she never could get rid of it till she became christian at the age of 40. Also I practiced Santeria, which is a joruba religion based in Cuba and Brazil but comes from Africa. During this time my guru or god father as they are called, did trance channel for me and that spirit ‘d change my godfather s body and face, he said he was from 500 years ago and he is helping the “saints” to work with ppl. He’d drink and eat this that my godfather didn’t like, so I do believe that they are many ways on which spirits communicate and also there is a wide universe of astral planes and not all of them love us as JESUS LOVE US.

PEACE.