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  • October2nd2015


    The trailer for the documentary appears on Victor Zammit’s Friday Night Afterlife Reports. I only bring this up to encourage you all to subscribe to these reports. It’s free and so, so informative. Plus Victor and his wife, Wendy, are great people. They do so much to further our cause. To see this week’s report, click HERE. To subscribe, go to his homepage, HERE.

    Tomorrow at 11:00 AM CT, Jamie, Erik and I are going to be interviewed live on Personal Empowerment with Jean Maurie and Maggiemoon. Click HERE to listen! Should be fun to see what antics Erik will be up to, so hold on to your seats!

    Some more exciting news: I’m having another giveaway, this time, the prize is a chance to talk to Erik through medium, Kim Babcock. All you have to do is write a review for Erik’s book and copy and paste them into Amazon, Goodreads and Barnes and Noble. If you’ve already done this, then you’re a qualified entrant. Click here to enter: a Rafflecopter giveaway

    Now, for the final installment of Sonny Bono’s interview! Enjoy!

    Me: Do you have any regrets?

    Jamie (laughing): He teasingly pulled his jacket back and reached into his pocket, and he goes, “Let me go through a few.”

    Me: Oh no! Let’s just go with the biggest one.

    Sonny: They’re all small; they’re all small. The biggest one is—I was really bad at saying goodbye. I was really bad at making closures. Because of that lack of understanding of how to do that, I burned some bridges, and I really regret that. I never really wanted to hurt anybody’s feelings.

    Me: Okay. That’s a small one. I’m sure they forgive you. You’re a loving man. What was your proudest accomplishment?

    Erik (leaning toward Sonny): Learning how to ski?

    Me: Uh oh. Oh, Erik! Have a heart, baby!

    Jamie (giggling): But Sonny thinks it’s so funny! Erik has the same type of humor, but they’re just bantering like that the whole time. It’s pretty funny.

    Sonny (without even breaking a smile, turns to Erik): Well, that was a good day in my life, but it wasn’t the best.

    Jamie and I laugh.

    Me: Well, Erik, it wasn’t like you were an accomplished skier, Mister Half-Norwegian!

    Erik: Stab me in the heart!

    We all laugh.

    Sonny: If I had to pin it down to a single moment, I’d have to say when I became nominated into office. I knew I would finally have that chance to have my voice heard.

    Me: And I bet looking back from your new perspective, you still consider that your biggest accomplishment.

    Sonny: I do. It requires votes from the people; it was so touching that I could finally feel what community was really like. That support stayed with me until the end of my days.

    Me: God, we need you back! Dude, seriously! Now, what past life affected the last one?

    Sonny: Erik and I discussed this at the gathering that we were at, because we thought it was such a profound question because it’s not something that the human would ask another human—let alone does the human have that information to recognize, “Oh, that’s what I did before, and this is what I want to do now.” I was a French female aristocrat in the 1600s. 1620. I was associated with the Royal Palace in Paris—Lady of the Court.

    Me: Oh, Lady in Waiting?

    Jamie: Lady in Waiting?

    Me: Maybe. I don’t know.

    Sonny: I was always in the high-end world—the riches. I was always traveling in the best way, the easiest way. As a woman, I wasn’t allowed to have political knowledge or input. It was very removed. I so enjoyed that life, being a rebel, a woman, and sitting and discussing with the men—

    Jamie: She seems to be the only woman in the room. I see men in really nice fabric suits. They’re not tuxedos, but really nice fabric suits—blues and creams and gold colors. They’re smoking cigars, and this woman is propped in the middle, it looks like on an ottoman. And she’s listening and engaging with them in political jargon—

    Me: So you really mean “court,” not like the court in terms of royalty back then.

    Sonny: No, not judicial.

    Me: Okay.

    Sonny: In that, I gained so much knowledge about the royal life, where the men are, the men in war, what’s happening, the decisions between countries, that on several occasions, I was asked for my opinion, but always in private. Never was I sexually harassed or abused. I was treated almost as if I had entertainment value, but always with such high regard. I loved that life and wanted to do it again, but in the right way—as a man—and in the right arena, and I wanted to have both of those worlds. (entertainment and politics)

    Me: Oh!

    Sonny: I got just that!

    Me: That’s awesome. Now, Erik, do you have any questions before we ask him if he has any last words, so to speak?

    Erik: No, no. I’m good. We’re going to go play later.

    Me: Oh good! Yeah, y’all can go skiing!

    Sonny (laughing to Erik): Now you got your mom started!

    Me: Well, where do you think he gets it, Sonny?

    Sonny laughs.

    Me: Teach Sonny how to snowboard because you were pretty good at that.

    Jamie: Sonny agrees to it.

    Me: All right. From your new perspective, do you have any messages for humanity or for family members like Cher, one of your children, or your family as a whole?

    Sonny: Or my wife?

    Me: Oh, okay, Sorry.

    Jamie laughs.

    Me: I didn’t know he had another wife.

    Jamie (whispers): Me neither.

    Sonny: The thing that I’d like to tell everybody is that every voice counts. Every voice matters. I don’t mean that in a larger political scale as it would sound, but I do mean it as within your family structures, within your friendship structures. And it’s very important to vote. If you want to make the changes, you have to vote. Please teach your children political viewpoints and have them vote.

    Me: Okay.

    Sonny: I would like to see a program in all of the public schools where they learn the politics and within the school system, they vote. Then after the 18 and above, they can vote and the school can compare their votes to see if they were equivalent to the masses in the United States. This is the only way we’re going to teach this habit to our children.

    Me: Okay.

    Sonny: My family knows I love them; I kiss them every day.

    Me: Aw.

    Sonny: Bless my wife. She has stood up and taken care of our kids and she has—

    Jamie Erik, come on! Stop!


    Jamie: It’s strobing! The computer is totally strobing, and then it’s layered. I wish I could show you.

    Me: It looks good from this side, so it’s probably them; they’re energy is probably so high, especially the two of them together.

    Sonny: My wife has stood up and is helping the causes I started.

    Me: Oh, how wonderful!

    Sonny: So, my life is very full, still.

    Me: Aw, that’s great.

    Sonny: Thank you for the opportunity today. You have a wonderful son.

    Me: Aw, thank you, and I’m glad Erik has a wonderful friend.

    Sonny (touching his chest): Yes he does.

    Sonny reaches over and pats Erik on the shoulder.

    Sonny (to Erik): Take care of her.

    Jamie: Meaning you.

    Me: Aw.

    Sonny: Thank you, Jamie.

    Me: Well, thank you, Sonny.

    Jamie: It’s weird, all of the spirit guides today have turned away and walked through the wall and just disappeared.

    Me: What does that mean?

    Jamie; Normally, I just see them disappear.

    Me: Oh, so they’re walking Sonny out? Is that what it is?

    Jamie: Yeah. He just turned and walks away. It was a dark suit—

    Me: So, he still has an entourage!

    Sonny Bono and Family

    Sonny Bono and Family

  • October1st2015


    Today is absolutely gorgeous. Eighty-two degrees and not a cloud in the sky. It’s days like these that remind me to be grateful for the simple pleasures like not having to endure 98 degrees and 3,000% humidity. Of course, even under those circumstances, I lovingly caress my keratin-treated tresses repeating, “You can suck it, demon moisture. No more bad hair days for moi.”  You guys know how happy I am to have discovered my at-home keratin treatments and Chaga mushroom face products. Those and my new coffee travel mug have brought me such joy recently.

    So, I’m sitting outside, working on my laptop, watching for hawks in the corner of my eye lest any of them start circling Bella. If she gets nabbed, I guess the whole “grateful for the simple pleasures” thing will get kicked to the curb, but I hold out hope that she’ll be fine. 

    Quick announcement: Saturday at 11:00 AM CT Jamie, Erik and I will be on the show, Personal Empowerment for a full 90 minutes. Join in on the fun and see if Erik pranks or teases the hosts, Jean Maurie and Maggiemoon! I’ll announce this again tomorrow. Click HERE for the link. 

    Now for Part Two of the Sonny Bono interview. 

    Sonny: I love my children.

    Me: Aw.

    Jamie: Child-ren. He’s telling me that he has (unintelligible either 3 or 4.)

    Me: I don’t know. I’ll have to check. Well, I don’t have to check; I’ll just take your word for it. Now, was it your destiny to die when and how you did?

    Sonny: I wouldn’t have consciously known that. Someone had to come and tell me that.

    Me: Oh.

    Sonny: I couldn’t be more grateful that it was a fast transition because everyone around me knew that I didn’t want to have a slow death. I spent a lot of my life trying to get away from pain, and one of my fears was that I would have to face it through a long suffering death.

    Me: Aw, I’m so glad you didn’t.

    Erik (to Sonny): Didn’t you used to do drugs?

    Sonny: I did. I used drugs to get away from the pain of daily life.

    Me: Oh, yeah.

    Jamie: M. M name. Not meth.

    Me: MDMA like ecstasy? MSNBC, no I don’t know!

    Jamie giggles.

    Me: Marijuana!

    Sonny (laughing): Everybody did that!

    Me: Oh, okay.

    Jamie: Morphine?

    Me: Morphine! Oh, wow! Okay.

    Jamie: How do you say it again?

    Me: Morphine.

    Jamie: It’s just two syllables?

    Me: Yeah, morphine. Is it something else, maybe?

    Jamie: Cuz the way he says it, it kind of sounds like three, like moraphine.

    Me: Moraphine. Aw, okay. So, why was it your destiny, then, Sweetie?

    Sonny: You know, I think we all have an expiration date, and what was more valuable to me was to leave a greater impact on the world, my work, the safety of the people, the rules that I was trying to implement, and the ideals I was trying to protect. Often, we can stay in our own way. We think we’re doing our best work for ourselves and for the people around us in our environment, when really we’re getting in our own way and we’re stopping ourselves from progressing. If you can just leave, then people value the work that you’ve done and take it to the next level. If I was still there, it would not have gone to the next level.

    Me: Well, they might have just concentrated on your personal life instead of your work, which is very often the case nowadays.

    Sonny: Exactly! When did politics become personal!

    Me: Yes! You were a politician as well. What do you think of the state of the world, now?

    Erik (laughing): Politics started becoming personal when movie stars started becoming politicians!

    Sonny laughs.

    Me; Exactly!

    Sonny: Good one! Well, I think I can do more work here to help the state of the world, and that is what I’m focused on.

    Me: So, that’s your work there. Great! Can you describe what your afterlife looks like? We know what you do—your life’s work there—but what does it look like? Do you live in house?

    Jamie: He’ll tell you, but he was just saying that you don’t even have to finish school to make a difference in the world.

    Erik: That’s the dropout!

    He had mentioned that this would be the day of the dropouts.

    Me: Oh!

    Erik: I wanted to talk to people who passed away that dropped out of school.

    Me: And if we talk to McKenna next, we’ll be talking to someone who drops acid! So, tell me, Sonny, what about your afterlife?

    Jamie: He’s really good about remembering the questions and staying on task. He’s a really good interviewer or speaker. He’ll just bring it right back around and go over it.

    Sonny: My environment where I am now consists mostly of being—

    Jamie (to Sonny): So, you’re not trapped, that’s just the word you’re using? Okay.

    Sonny:—being trapped in the human room and then conferences and meetings in different government levels of the United States and through Europe.

    Me: Mm!

    Sonny: But I’m not really trapped. I choose to be there. There’s just so many that if you are in spirit and you’re trying to follow through with one ideal, one law, one motion, you need to be at every meeting to see who are the people who are influencing it the most, and then that is who you choose to work with.

    Erik: So, it sounds like you switched more to a political world than an entertainment world.

    Sonny: Yes.

    Me: Well, there’s a little bit of bleed-through on that one! A lot of politicians are great actors!

    Jamie (laughing, to Sony): She got you!

    Me: They have to be! So, what insight did you gain, given your new perspective in the afterlife?

    Sonny: There are a lot of dummies in the human race.

    Me: I know. I’m one of them sometimes. I can vouch for that.

    Sonny: I don’t necessarily think that I would put that label on you. You’re searching for the greater cause and not searching the rule or definition of it to put with it. Those are the dummies.

    Me: Oh, okay. You’re such a brilliant man! Were you here to learn anything?

    Sonny: I know I was here to learn commitment and love. I found it many times!

    I laugh hard at the fact that he found commitment several times.

    Sonny: I couldn’t keep a commitment.

    Me: Oh, that’s so funny. What about to teach? Were you here to teach anything?

    Sonny: Yes.

    Me: That’s probably the biggest part.

    Sonny: Yes, that was my greatest passion. It’s what drove me to continue working and continue living.

    Me: Oh, good. And what were you here to teach?

    Sonny: I’m here to teach the dummies.

    Jamie laughs.

    Jamie: He quickly gives me this flash image in my head of one of those yellow books.

    Me: Oh, yeah. Something or Other for Dummies.

    Jamie: Yeah, The Afterlife for Dummies.

    Me: Maybe we’ll have to steal that title when we write our book! So what were you here to teach—if you had to –

    Sonny: I’m here to teach the people who are living about the quality of the afterlife so that they would change who they were or are while they’re alive.

    Stay tuned for the final part tomorrow, guys!

    Sonny looking so happy!

    Sonny looking so happy!

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  • September30th2015


    Yesterday, Erik did lots of crazy stuff during my session with Jamie. The first thing he did was make both of our FaceTime windows spin. Then, on Jamie’s screen, he turned me into an old man with gray hair! Why couldn’t he have made me look young and beautiful! From the corner of my eye, I could see my “picture in a picture” change, but the recorded video only shows a white film appearing over me. There were other quirky odds and ends during the session, too. I think he’s so happy with how well received his book is that his naughtiness has reached new heights! No doubt he loves it when you guys write rave reviews, share the love on your Facebook timeline, recommend the book to your family and friends and more. This is your way of showing him love and appreciation, something he didn’t think he got much of in life. Thanks, guys. This means a lot to me.

    Great news! Jamie is going to trance channel Erik for us online. To participate, sign up HERE, and be sure to get online early to get your question for Erik on the top of the list!

    Here’s Part One of the Sonny Bono interview. Many of you may have watched in on the Channeling Erik YouTube channel. 

    Me: Now, I’m going to let you choose between these two, Jamie. Elizabeth Kubler-Ross or Terrence McKenna, the guy who was into psychedelics.

    Jamie: Is that the LSD guy?

    Me: I think. No, that was, um, I’m blanking. It’s hell to be old. Well, Terence McKenna, I think he believed in like opening up the mind and the pineal gland and that with DMT and other things, but I heard about him from the blog members, but gosh, I can’t remember for the life of me what they said about him. Also, there’s Elizabeth Kubler-Ross, too or Jack Kevorkian. You choose.

    Jamie: Wow, he’d be so intriguing!

    Me: Yeah!

    Jamie (laughing): Erik’s here. He’s introducing me to someone whose name we did not mention today.

    Me: Oh, okay. That’s fine. Who ya got there, Buddy!

    Erik: Sonny Bono!

    Me: Sonny Bono.

    Jamie: Is he on the list?

    Me: Yeah, he’s on the list. It’s fine. Okay, but next time, Jamie gets to pick! All right. Hello, Mr. Bono.

    Jamie (giggling: It’s his voice!

    Me: Oh, my gosh!

    Jamie: He’s so polite.

    Me: Aw.

    Jamie: He’s got a blazer on.

    Me: Oh, wow. (I had expected tie-dyed or psychedelic hippy garb that would glow under a black light.)

    Sonny: Hello, and thanks for putting this together. This has really turned out to be a wonderful experience. I met Erik at a music gathering, and Erik mentioned to me that you were putting together a book, and I told him I was very interested in participating.

    Me: Oh! That’s wonderful!

    I feel goose bumps on my right leg. It must be either Erik or Sonny making sure I’m transcribing this accurately! Back seat scribes!)

    Jamie (to Sonny): So, this is why you’re here today, cuz you just met each other?

    Sonny: Yes.

    Erik (reaching over to tap Sonny’s shoulder): It’s ski season coming up, too.

    Jamie: That’s so bad!

    Me: Oh, no! You’re so bad!

    In case you didn’t know, Sonny died in a skiing accident.

    Jamie: He takes a joke really well—Sonny. He’s not, um—

    Me: Oh, I can imagine. He was such –he is such a delightful person. Sonny, what kind of belief system did you abide by when you were here?

    Jamie: He was joking before. He said he lived through four marriages; he can definitely live through this small interview with your son.

    I laugh.

    Jamie: So, pretty much he can dish out anything that you want.

    Me: Of course.

    Jamie: He can handle it.

    Sonny: I grew up in an Italian family; I was raised Roman Catholic. You really didn’t have a choice. Nobody sat down with you in my family in a room and said, “Here are the beliefs systems. What would you like to choose?”

    Me: So, no smorgasbord?

    Sonny: None. Nothing. It was what you were given; it was what our family had always been, and it was what you were going to do, too.

    Me: Okay.

    Sonny: It’s instilled in a lot of the choices I make today—the practices of the Roman Catholic world.

    Me: Interesting. Did your beliefs change in any way after you crossed over?

    Jamie: No, he was talking about as he got older, Scientia—scienti—

    Me: Scientology?

    Jamie: Scientology. He got into Scien—scientology, and it helped him find a voice for a lot of the things he was experiencing that the Roman Catholic world wasn’t open to.

    Sonny: Now, after I passed away, what a relief!

    Me: Hm!

    Jamie (to Sonny): What do you think is so funny? Kind of bizarre. “What a relief!”

    Me: Aw!

    Sonny: It was nice to know that the confinement that I was taught all this time—that I should go along with religion—just didn’t exist. It was such a joy to me to realize that you could behave the way you wish, love the way you wish, experience God the way you wish, and you’re always going to be in the right.

    Me: That’s awesome!

    Erik (to Sonny, joking): That’s so awesome, you should make a song about it!

    Me: Oh boy. They’re already fast friends. Sonny, tell me what your transition was like. I can imagine it was pretty quick.

    Sonny: I tell ya, I tell ya—

    Jamie (giggling): His hands are out with little short gestures.

    Sonny: I tell you, I did not see the tree coming.

    Me: Well, of course not.

    Jamie: So he was in a ski accident. That was why the joke was funny. He was not out of control and not able to steer away. It was not that kind of accident.

    Sonny: It was complete surprise.

    Me: Okay. So the transition was quick. Bam! You were suddenly in the afterlife? Is that what you’re saying?

    Sonny: No, I lingered in the body for some time.

    Me: Oh, okay.

    Sonny: I could remember seeing the white of the snow, the white of the snow, and then I saw white—again, white. I thought it was still the snow, but then I recognized that I wasn’t lying down, that I was somehow upright; I was standing.

    Me: Oh.

    Sonny: It was none of the surroundings of the mountain I was on, but everything was white. So, it went from the white snow on the Earth to white light in the heavens.

    Me: Oh. How interesting. Was it very painful or, hopefully not.

    Jamie (laughing): No, he has no recollection of pain! He’s telling me he remembers saying again and again in his head, “What the hell was that?”

    I laugh.

    Sonny: It was such a quick surprise; I didn’t have any time to feel the pain or identify what caused it or what was about to happen. All I had time to do was say, ‘What was that? What the hell was that?’

    Me: Oh, my gosh.

    Erik and Sonny laugh.

    Sonny: About that time, everything else started happening as well, you know, when you start to realize that you’re not in pain, that you’re not hurting and that it felt more like a dream than it felt like in life. So, then you start to wonder, ‘How did I get here.” That’s when it dawned on me that something had gone wrong, but I didn’t want to cry about it. I didn’t feel sad about it. I didn’t hurt about it.

    Jamie: He straightens up his jacket.

    Sonny: You embrace it, and you embrace it not because you think that’s the next thing to do—that that’s the next step. It overcomes you in such a way that every part of your body—not just the outside, but also the inside—it drops before you and wants to embrace everything that’s around you. It has to be one of the most beautiful experiences I’ve had in my life—more so than being on stage, more so than being on TV, more so than my children.

    Me: Wow.

    Stay tuned for Part Two tomorrow!


  • September3rd2015


    Many of you asked for an interview with Lucifer and, voilà, your wish is Patrick’s command! Also, we have some new members so I’d like to encourage any of you who haven’t already done so to please subscribe to my YouTube channel. Lot’s of great stuff there! Click HERE.

    The name Lucifer always intrigued me, because it sounds like the word for “light” in several languages such as Spanish, Portuguese and a few others? Why is it negative?

    That’s as little as I know; I turned to Wikipedia for help. To summarize:

    Lucifer is the King James Bible rendering of the Hebrew word הֵילֵל is transliterated hêlêl or heylel and occurs only once in the Hebrew Bible, meaning shining one, morning star. The word Lucifer originates in Latin, meaning in that language, morning star, planet Venus or light-bringing. הֵילֵל in Greek is ἑωσφόρος (heōsphoros) “bringer of dawn”, for the morning star.

    Later Christian practice came to use the word a proper name for the devil; as he was before his fall, thus Lucifer has become a by-word for Satan the Devil in the church and popular literature.

    RQ       reader question

    Q         medium question

    C          The Committee, the medium’s group of Guardian Angels Guides.

    L          Lucifer

    E         Erik (who says, “you didn’t think I’d miss an opportunity to pass some gas here, did you?)

    RQ:      Why does Lucifer get such a bad rap, but the Angel Samael is also known for holding both good and evil yet still stands by God and has a place in Heaven.  I think he supposedly also took Lilith as a wife.  Unless i misunderstand the writings about him, Samael is still considered as good, and Lucifer is generally accepted as evil.

    I guess put simply, what is the difference between Samael and Lucifer that Lucifer is consider[ed] ‘split off’ and Samael is still a ‘God man.’ 

    C:         The negative reputation is human given; as with many aspects of religion and the institutions built around them or to create them. We mean to say, the institution chooses the religion to justify the institution and vice versa.

    Other than a story told by humans to humans, what negative things on Earth have been perpetrated by Lucifer?

    To offer the view of a fallen Angel requires a belief in a God, a central authority with power, control and ability over the believer. This is very true, if one’s belief creates it. If one does not believe in authority over all humanity, what being can fall?

    The notion of fallen Angel carries much judgment, condemnation and classification. Who shall create the criteria of classification for inclusion or otherwise?

    Mankind on Earth is free to select or reject the criteria it prefers; the great advantage of the limited perception a journey offers is the ability to create circumstance. In your true home of Heaven, you create circumstance for yourself, however never for another, against their preference. On Earth, however, the some of you may create environments for the others among you, completely against the preference of the subjects, in some instances.

    The notion of Lucifer exists from the extension of this human view into Heaven, where it does not operate.

    Q:        There are examples of spiritual interference on Earth, aren’t there? Demonic-like things carried out by spirits with ill will, done purposely to create havoc for the observation pleasure of the bad actors?

    E:         Oh, hell yes, and by that standard, I am a devil!

    C:         Certainly yet the many of you are protected by your spirit guides, in nearly all instances. The rare few that occur do so often with your agreement, that you cannot remember on Earth.

    Q:        What do demons – souls with bad intent – do to humans, by unconscious consent or otherwise?          

    C:         They provoke interpersonal conflicts. They are not interested in physical acts, many of which do not create the reactions they prefer, the truly vigorous reactions. The intense, heavy conflicts among humans erupt from ideas, what are called emotions, feelings and emotional pain.

    Q:        Do souls with ill intent use physical acts to create havoc or chaos?

    C:         Yes, often appearing briefly as a physical person.

    Q:        How common is this stuff?

    C:         Extremely rare.

    Q:        Some people will fear devilish things, and believe they can’t control them.

    C:         The sensation of fear is evidence protection insulates the fearful from any possibility. The subjects are unaware to a point you would call bliss.

    Q:        Esteemed Committee, can we ask Lucifer her/himself to answer questions?

    C:         Indeed.

    Q:        Erik, can you get the higher angel (Archangel?) in here for a chat?

    E:         Got a doughnut? OK, gimme a minute….. (Erik flies off like a cartoon character flash…)

    Q:        Esteemed Committee, while they’re gone, can you tell us about the imagery we so often see of Satan or Lucifer?

    C:         A human creation. There is some truth behind the visual appearance, yet it is adapted and modified to give the sensation of something sinister.

    Q:        I think there’s been a lot of writing about hierarchies and levels of spirits, angels, overlord archangels and so forth. Where does Lucifer fit in?

    C:         He fits where you chose to perceive him. There is no Heavenly hierarchy that matters to you, yet we understand humanity wishes to know of it, because mankind creates it. The idea of organization, as a counterforce to chaos, holds great appeal. The reality is, organization is an illusion, it is a chaos seen as arranged by human effort. It is still chaos or still organization.

    Off Earth away from its limitations, it is immediately seen that everything is perfectly organized and no efforts are required to create it. Yet the human view is that organization must be constructed; only within the limits of human body perception.

    We suggest Heaven be seen as a crowd of people. You may circle around the outer perimeter and see the arrangements, the configurations are very different even though the people in the crowd remain in the same spot relative to one another. Have them move around and mill about, as humans will say, and then the absence of organization is obvious to see, yet all of these people remain members of their families, groups of friends and work colleagues, to name just a few, despite the haphazard or absent organization the crowd displays.

    Lucifer is a member of the crowd, yet retains also his and her relationships with her or his friends. In this arrangement, Lucifer is deferred to as a wise and experienced authority.

    Q:        Looks like Erik’s back with Beelzebub! Lucifer, my apologies for the crude reference, I suspect it doesn’t apply.

    L:         No offense taken, I am amused by this and no apology accepted.

    E:         I accept for him; done.

    Q:        Him or her? Lucifer, do you appear or identify as female or male, in Heaven?

    L:         Neither, however the human definitions of a male are what we will use, to not stretch your human language limits to breaking.

    Q:        So, as you already know, my spirit guides say the image surrounding you is a human creation.

    L:         Yes.

    Q:        What could this mean, a fallen angel?

    L:         What humans call ex-communication, expulsion from the group. This concept requires the departing soul to old value in acceptance. You would not be worried about expulsion from the local chapter of New Mothers, you would wonder how such a mistake could be made. Your reaction to notice of your revoked membership is not involved in the decision to kick you out.

    The notion I fell out of favor requires the belief in a central, almighty and all powerful deity and also, my desire to be a member of a group such all powerful authority creates. Neither applies to me.

    Q:        Why doesn’t God apply to you?

    L:         We are all God; we all apply to one another. Consider a forest on Earth; can the trees expel one? You are as permanently a part of Heaven as a tree in the woods, and you never die or fall.

    Q:        In the human view of archangels, are you one?

    L:         Yes, inside the human society definition.

    Q:        What purpose does the idea you are a devil, a bad force and a foe of all good, do?

    L:         It creates a target for blame, a depository for defense and storage for condemnation. The creation of this concept prepares the terrain for planting of ideas and the planter can gain influence and a sense of accomplishment. Accomplishment of protection.

    Bad things, often inexplicable, surround all humans, always. The urge and need to respond, prevent, heal, make better and improve are fundamental to human development so making Lucifer the demon worked to that end.

    Q:        Do you mind that you’re depicted as evil?

    L:         No; I know that I am not. Pictures create images, reality is not altered by someone else’s view. A tall mountain is not shorter because a satellite view from above, looking down vertically upon it, reveals not its true prominence.

    Q:        We could toss all reference to Lucifer as the Prince of Darkness and evil from all books, movies and whatnot, and what effect would there be?

    L:         Don’t do that! How boring could things become….the villain always improves things.

    Q:        Mr. Lucifer, continuing with the male image, thank you for coming to chat.

    L:         Your friend you must thank, for he is the linchpin to a such a growing segment of human awareness, that he will become the new prince.

    Q:        Erik, a prince?

    E:         Yes! The Prince of Prank…. Earl of Error, Duke of Dunk, Knight of Fright….you name it, I’m it.

    L:         Indeed and more. My appreciation and wishes for well being, for all. Good bye!

    I’ve received so much positive feedback from those of you who have read or are reading the book. Some of you cried, many of you laughed, some of you stayed awake all night to finish it (because it’s really hard to put down!), some of you were sad to finish it and some of you said the book will surely break records. I hope so because I’m so proud of Erik, and the more souls he reaches, the better the world will be. Thanks for spreading the word! Oh, and I just realized I didn’t post Part Two to yesterday’s post. That’ll come tomorrow. My mind is going fast!

  • July31st2015


    Here is the last installment of our interview with Tesla. Next week, I plan on posting a video of a session I had with Kim Babcock. I’ve scheduled test sessions with two others and plan a second try on another. When you’ve had a chance to see them all, I’ll create a poll so you can rank them. If there’s any doubt, we can have additional sessions. It’s hard to judge just with one. 

    Me: Are you incarnated now?

    Tesla: No.

    Robert (chuckling): He gives me this image of himself hovering.

    Me (chuckling): Waiting to make his grand entrance?

    Robert: No, it’s like there are people who are doing things—and it’s not just about electricity, energy and stuff like that. It’s about all sorts of different patterns that he has an affinity for. Like he shows this person who’s working as an engineer, and he’s standing behind him sending him everything he needs to know on a telepathic level to help him understand how to engineer something so that one little piece helps create something that will become disruptive in a very good way for humanity. It becomes the one little piece that, down the road, will become life changing.

    Me: Okay.

    Robert: I asked him just now if the cars—

    Me: Yeah, Tesla Motors? Let’s talk about how you feel about that.

    Robert: I asked him if that person he’s working with is part of that company.

    Tesla: I do that some, but not as much as you would think. If I compel myself to put all of my energy in that, then I wouldn’t really be living a “life” where I let all that go. I just come in if I’m needed and if it’s relevant to the bigger picture of things. It isn’t just limited to Tesla Motors, though.

    Me: So the work you do in your afterlife is to help other people like engineers—

    Tesla: There’s that aspect of it, but it’s not just mechanical things we create that funnel energy through it. It’s anything that allows energy to flow through it in a way that we identify with as happening.

    Me: What do you mean?

    Tesla: It could be a Reiki practitioner.

    Me: Oh, okay!

    Tesla: It could be a medium.

    Me: So you work with people involved with the flow of energy.

    Tesla: Yes. So it doesn’t have to be a mechanical thing. It can be a human body or another organic form. I teach some people how to release things, let them go. Energy is all about that. Energy has to have an influx and outflow.

    Me: What is your proudest achievement?

    Tesla: If there’s anything I’d attach the word, “pride” to, it’d be on what we just spoke of: to help awaken someone to something they didn’t know they could do.

    Me: No, your proudest achievement as a human.

    Robert: He’s showing me some sort of battery. He said, “The battery.”

    Me: Oh, okay.

    Robert: Did he invent the battery?

    Me: Oh, I have no idea. I’ll have to look that up. Well, where do you think the future of energy is?

    Robert: Oh, also, he said something about the fact that some of the work he did helped set the stage for the creation of solar panels. That’s how I’m interpreting it, anyway.

    Me: Oh okay.

    Robert: He gave me the image of a solar panel.

    Me: Okay, so where do you see the future of energy going?

    Tesla: To sustainability. That’s the simplest answer. There will be no worry in how much we’re consuming, and there will be no waste.

    Me: What kind of energy source is that going to be?

    Tesla: It will take several steps to get to the point where we have a limitless supply. Fusion is going to be a big step on that path.

    Me: Okay.

    Tesla: Not fission, but fusion. That will be widely used within 20 years, but containment is a very important aspect of that.

    Robert (laughing): Okay, he’s getting all excited about the fusion.

    Tesla: The great thing about fusion is that, unlike fission, which produces a lot of radiation that could leak out and do, harm, fusion—the kind I’m referring to—does not do that. This type of fusion will just simply fizzle out. It won’t produce all of that contamination. But eventually, we’ll be able to tap into the pattern that feeds this reality and that will become our unlimited source of power.

    Me: Awesome.

    Zero Point Energy, I bet. Dark matter? Dark energy? Should have asked.

    Tesla: And it won’t just fuel our mechanical devices. It’ll fuel our bodies, themselves.

    Me: Oh, interesting. So what do you think about the state of humanity now?

    Tesla: My simplest answer, which mirrors what other spirits have said, is that there is no concern. There is no absence of hope. There’s no anger or disappointment toward humanity in how they’ve handled the planet. I see it all as part of a process, which is preparing us not only to sustain this planet but others as well and in a way that doesn’t harm anything else. Sometimes you have to break a few eggs to make an omelet.

    Me (chuckling): Oh, that’s so true.

    And we sure are breaking a lot of eggs. Must be a huge ass omelet.

    Me: Do you have any messages or advice for us?

    Tesla: I really have nothing further to add.

    Me: Yeah, you’ve already given us so many things to think about. What do you think about Channeling Erik? Do you have any advice for us on that front?

    Tesla: I’m quite happy with Channeling Erik because it’s one of the many things that I’m involved with.

    Me: Oh, okay. Tell me more!

    Robert: He’s showing me a bunch of wall sockets, and he’s got himself plugged into all of them.

    Tesla: Channeling Erik is one of them.

    Me: In what way are your involved?

    Robert (teasing): So did you learn your lesson about relaxation?

    Me: I guess not!

    All three of us laugh.

    Tesla: My dear boy, sometimes the work is relaxing.

    Me: Well that’s true. My work is relaxing. So what do you do with Channeling Erik? How are you involved?

    Tesla: I’m helping those who are awakening to their gifts as mediums and other types of healers. I’m helping them navigate that process. There are a lot of them that are being awakened.

    Me: That is so true, and I see that Erik is helping people develop their gifts, too.

    Tesla: Yes.

    Me: Okay, Erik, do you have any questions for Mr. Tesla?

    Erik: There’s one thing I want to say. I want to thank Nikola, publically, because he’s helped me guide a lot of people.

    Me: How?

    Erik: Oh, Mom. Whenever I don’t understand how to feed someone a certain kind of energy to help them get something, Tesla helps me do it.

    Me: Awesome. That’s great. Well, thank you so much, Mr. Tesla. I really appreciate the time you spent with us here. I’m glad that you were able to enlighten us in so many ways.

    Tesla: Your welcome, and thank you for the opportunity.

    Me: Thank you Erik and Robert. Erik, I love you!

    Erik: Love you more.

    Gotta break those eggs!

    Gotta break those eggs!

  • July30th2015


    Yesterday, while I was sitting on the couch, computer in my lap, I felt the most intense goosebumps on my right leg. Had it intensified further, it would have been painful. I recognized that as Erik’s energy and knew that he was sitting beside me, keeping me company. He was probably laughing at my clumsy typing and plethora of typos. The sensation lasted a long time and was so lovely I didn’t want it to go away. If any of you have experienced very localized goosebumps, know that it’s probably from spirit, Erik or otherwise.

    Here’s Part Two of Tesla’s interview!

    Me: Okay, tell me about your upbringing and how it made you who you are—your relationship with your parents or whatever is important to defining who Nikola Tesla was.

    Tesla: My upbringing only reinforced the behavior I had as an adult and reinforced the pattern of energy that I was naturally inclined to be, with my soul pumping too much energy.

    Robert: He’s giving me the impression that he was in this taskmaster situation where play was considered a luxury.

    Me: Oh!

    Robert: Did I interpret that correctly?

    Tesla: Yes.

    Robert: Oh, okay.

    Tesla: That just reinforced what I became as an adult. You know this very well: What a child learns and experiences becomes patterns they tend to perpetuate. Notice I use the word, “patterns.” Energy expresses itself in different kinds of patterns, and those patterns then can be seen visually and can manifest one’s life. If you were to look at that purely from an electricity standpoint, when electricity flows through different kinds of media, it will show itself in different ways. Sometimes it’ll flow through one media and look like waves instead of jagged edges. It can look jagged when it flows through other kinds of matter. It may have little offshoots. It all depends on the kind of matter or media the current flows through. I’m using that example to show you how when electricity flows through the matter of the physical body of a spirit who has had all these experiences throughout its lifetime, it’s funneled in a way that makes that energy behave in a certain way. So the experiences themselves can alter patterns of energy that make up the soul and the physical body. I hope that makes sense.

    Me: Yes, it does. Tell me about your relationship with Thomas Edison.

    Tesla: Edison stole a lot of my ideas!

    Me: Oooo.

    Robert chuckles.

    Me: He promised you $50,000 if you made his direct current generator more efficient, but after you did that, he said, “You don’t understand American humor!” I think he gave you a $10 a week raise. So you resigned immediately and went on to do your own thing. Tell me about that.

    Tesla: That was really a lesson about standing up to my father. That kind of behavior—being taken advantage of by someone who I saw, to a certain extent, as a father figure—made me realize that I deserved more respect than that.

    Me: Sure.

    Tesla: There were many ideas besides that one that he took from me.

    Me: How do you get along with him now?

    Tesla: You understand that when you’re in the physical body, you’re playing a role so you let that go. You don’t hold on to the animosity. We understand that what I did that he got credit for I had a hand in creating. In that co-creation, he was meant to get the credit. I wasn’t. Sometimes you’re meant to be on stage, and sometimes you’re meant to be behind the scenes.

    Me: Okay. Were you here on the earth as Nikola Tesla to learn anything?

    Tesla: As it relates to the physical body, it’s what I mentioned earlier about learning how to play and learning about the meaning of relaxation. I also came to understand how people can cross your boundaries and how I pushed myself so hard that I crossed my own boundaries. That encompasses a lot—standing up to people, for instance. A lot of lessons can stem from these.

    Me: Yeah, sure. Do you think you learned your lesson?

    Tesla: Absolutely.

    Me: Did you learn as a human or as a—

    Tesla: After I crossed over.

    Me: I figured. Yeah.

    Tesla: The end of my life—

    Robert: He’s projecting all this sadness surrounding the end of his life. There seemed to be a lot of chaos. Whether others could see it or not, it was going on in his brain like a tornado.

    Me: Well, what kind of chaos are you talking about?

    Tesla: Emotional.

    Me: Oh. Aw, tell me more.

    Tesla: I believed, especially when I was younger, that I was a genius, and when the rest of the world didn’t treat me that way, I became angry because they didn’t see me. At some point, I questioned whether I was crazy. The chaos came from constantly feeling that anger and doubt and the loss of my ability to trust the decisions I made in life.

    Me: Oh, that’s awful. Okay, so do you have any regrets? Is there anything you would do differently if you had to do it again?

    Tesla: Not to sound immodest, but I don’t have anything I regret because regret insinuates a choice that shouldn’t have been made. Every choice that I made I was supposed to make. That’s true for everyone.

    Me: Because?

    Tesla: Because it’s compelling you to become more aware. Then that awareness opens the awareness for you to gain a greater understanding of something. When you have an awareness of something, it doesn’t mean that you know how to integrate that into your life, but it does open the doorway to you taking the first step to doing that—towards integration, correct?

    Me: Yes. So for example, you worked tirelessly and had very little time for play. And you gained from that the awareness of how important it is to have a balanced life?

    Tesla: Correct. In the physical world, I did gain that awareness, but I didn’t integrate it into practice.

    Me: Right.

    Tesla: But now that I’m on this side, I can speak on such matters. Most people wouldn’t assume that I would speak about this because I mostly speak about energy, but that relates to energy: relaxation, work, these are all different patterns of energy.

    Me: That’s true.

    Tesla: And they have a beautiful waveform to them.

    Me: Can you share a life that most influenced your one as Nikola Tesla?

    (Long pause)

    Robert: This looks like it happened several hundred years before he passed over. He worked on a ship. It looks like a pirate ship, but he says it’s not. It was a slave ship, some kind of slaving ship. It was even before—this was a long time ago. He’s giving me background that slavery has existed for thousands of years, and it wasn’t always involving slaves from Africa. So this is even before the whole slave trade thing in Africa. There was some kind of ship going across a channel, and he was one of the individuals who worked these big oars—very monotonous, constant rowing.

    Tesla: That life, to me, had a lot of meaning because it was, to some degree, setting up the life of Nikola Tesla. You never stop rowing. You keep pushing forward with the same thing. There was that same focus. So it taught me focus and get into the flow of things.

    Robert: He doesn’t really go into a lot of details other than that.

    Tesla Toward the End of His LIfe

    Tesla Toward the End of His LIfe

  • July29th2015


    This is a recent interview I did on Soul Traveller Radio with host, Karen Swain. It was a lot of fun. It’ll be a podcast, too, and I’ll post that when it’s ready. 

    Many of you have requested that I interview Nikola Tesla, so here he is!

    Me: I hear we have Nikola Tesla here to interview today. Hello, Mr. Tesla.

    Robert: Yes, and Paul Walker said he’s going to be polite and let Mr. Tesla go first.

    Me: We have a lot of requests for you, Paul, so you’ll be next. Don’t worry. And I appreciate that.

    Paul: Thank you, ma’am.

    He’s next in line.

    Me: Mr. Tesla, thank you so much for agreeing to do this interview.

    Tesla: It’s my pleasure.

    Me: I first want to ask you what your spiritual mission was while you were here on the earthly plane as Nikola Tesla.

    Tesla: My mission was to awaken humanity to a broader experience of what it means to be alive and to understand that everything is a pattern of energy. Past sessions you’ve had with various mediums have been building up to the conversation you and I are getting ready to have—that everything is energy, and every form of energy has its own unique pattern. This is what my purpose was when I was living in the physical world.

    Me: Interesting. Can you go into more—?

    Tesla: Most of what I focused on had to do with electricity, different kinds of electrical energy.

    Me: Okay.

    Tesla: But there was much more to it than that. Much of my work was ridiculed, and it took about 100 years or more for people to finally catch up with what I was doing. It was so far ahead of its time.

    Me: Reflecting on your life and this very complicated spiritual mission of yours, do you think you accomplished it?

    Robert (chuckling): He’s very matter of fact when it comes to this kind of stuff.

    Tesla: I accomplished everything I set out to do.

    Robert laughs.

    Me: You have a lot of humility!

    Robert: He has NO problem with confidence!

    Me: Well, otherwise, you would not have been able to accomplish what you did!

    Tesla: You have to understand that you can’t be insecure about what it is you’re meant to do. You have to project confidence. Some people project confidence in order to mask their fear.

    Me: Mm hm.

    Tesla: In the physical body I sometimes did that. I was human. But I’m speaking about the confidence, from where I am now, that has no fear involved. It’s just a matter of fact, the truth. This is what I set out to do; this is what I was going to do. If I had had fear attached to that, it would have inhibited me.

    Me: So were you a very confident man when you were human?

    Tesla: Most of the time. In those moments when I wasn’t confident, I could project confidence.

    Me: Okay. You dropped out of school for various reasons, and then you had a nervous breakdown. So obviously your confidence must have hit a major—

    Tesla: That’s what I needed at the time. I was projecting confidence to mask my fear so I had this façade that couldn’t hold. Eventually, it was going to blow over. A kettle can only hold so much steam.

    Me: Tell me about your nervous breakdown. What happened? Why did you have one?

    Tesla: There are different things to look at in the physical world that would push someone in that direction, but I was very driven. That’s number one. If you never give yourself a break, if you never relax, then you never recharge and re-center yourself. Any little thing can tip the balance. But then, the kind of being I am—the soul connected to that physical body—was very driven by energy patterns that a human body is just not able to process.

    Me: What do you mean?

    Tesla: This is why I was so drawn to electricity and all kinds of patterns of energy. My soul fed those to the body you know as Nikola Tesla. That’s more information than a human body can process. It overloaded my nervous system. I had this overflow of energy flowing through me.

    Me: Okay.

    Tesla: The brain literally can’t parse through all those energy signals and patterns. With everything else that comes along in a human life, a human experience, because of the challenges we create for ourselves, becomes one too many things. That’s what happened to me.

    Me: I’ve heard you worked on very little sleep. They say you had around two hours of sleep a night.

    Tesla: Of course, and that goes back to the amount of energy that flowed through my body. I mentioned earlier that I didn’t know how to rest or relax.

    Me: Mm hm.

    Tesla: I erroneously believed that if I were to go to sleep, I would miss something. There might be something I could have done that I missed because I was sleeping. The physical form and all the things it requires to be maintained, I find quite tedious. From the perspective of that part of me that I identify as spiritual judged it a pointless.

    Robert laughs.

    Me: Okay.

    Tesla: But there is a point to it. I was learning how to integrate play with work.

    Me: And did you learn how to do that?

    Tesla: By having experienced that kind of life, I learned how to do it.

    Me: I see.

    Tesla: I eventually learned the value of relaxation and play.

    Me: Okay. You were so driven, you said. Was that in part because you wanted to earn your father’s approval?

    (Long pause)

    Robert: He just gave a very short answer of “yes,” and I was waiting to see if he was going to say more.

    Me: Can you expand on that?

    Tesla: The prideful part of me didn’t want to be seen as a buffoon.

    Me: Okay.

    Tesla: So I pushed myself harder and harder and harder to prove myself to, not just my father, but also to many other people. Of course it didn’t work out that way because many considered me to be a quack. They considered me to be even more of a buffoon because I was so out of touch with the reality they were living.

    Me: You were so far advanced?

    Tesla: Yes.

    Nikola Tesla

    Nikola Tesla

  • July8th2015


    Today, I got back from an appointment, and just before I got out of my car, I spotted something yellow on the floor. It’s an Airsoft pellet, the exact same type and color Erik occasionally apports and drops from the ceiling over me. He used to love playing Airsoft war with the neighborhood kids when he was very young. There is no way that pellet could have wandered in on its own. We don’t even have any Airsoft guns or pellets anymore. Pretty cool. Thanks for the “hello,” my sweet boy.

    Pellet from Heaven

    Pellet from Heaven

    Here’s the information for the radio show I’m going to be on tomorrow at 1:00 PM CT:

    Be sure to join me!

    Be sure to join me!

    Now for the grand finale of our friend, Judas:

    Me: Can you share one of the lives that most influenced your one as Judas?

    Robert: He was telling me earlier that he was hoping you’d ask that.

    (Long pause)

    Robert: It involved betrayal.

    Judas: In many of my incarnations, the theme was betrayal. In the one I want to share, I’m a chimpanzee.

    Robert: He’s playing out a bunch of visuals now. I’m trying to figure out what he’s talking about. In this one it was about a dereliction of duty.

    Judas: We were going to drink at a river.

    Me: His troop?

    Robert: Yeah, his group of chimps.

    Judas: I wasn’t a leader. I wasn’t the alpha. I was a mother with a baby.

    Me: Oh, okay.

    Judas: Part of me didn’t want the responsibility of taking care of a baby. I didn’t always take care of it and resented that I had it.

    Robert: Sounds like a human being.

    Me: Yeah, some.

    Judas: So we went to the river to drink, and my anger at everyone else for me believing they were making me feel this guilt over that unwanted responsibility made me not warn them of the dangers at the river. There were crocodiles lurking just off the banks, and I knew they were there, but I let them go there on purpose.

    Me: How awful!

    Robert: That sounds a lot like how it played out with Jesus, only it’s a little different because in that life you all communicated.

    Judas: In this life, I did not communicate with anyone. I spitefully kept all of this to myself. So the dereliction of duty was not warning them of the danger.

    Me: So, what happened?

    Judas: There was the betrayal as well, but also my own baby. I put it at the edge of the water fully expecting a crocodile to get it.

    I gasp.

    Judas: And it did.

    Me: Aw.

    Judas: And it didn’t just get the baby. Other crocodiles got 2 or 3 others. No one knew what I did, of course.

    Me: Well, I guess you got Friday and Saturday nights free for partying.

    Judas: In the moment, I felt unburdened. I didn’t realize I had burdened myself with guilt. I never had another baby after that. The reason I’m saying this is because human beings think they’re the only ones gifted with this broad range of emotions. Every species on this planet feels emotions, and chimpanzees express emotions in a similar way to humans. I think that’s why I chose that life. They can feel rage, betrayal, jealousy—

    Me: What did you get out of that life? Why did you design that life for yourself?

    Judas: Just to have the experience. It’s as simple as that.

    Me: So it wasn’t something like learning self-forgiveness?

    Judas: It was more about understanding responsibility. Being irresponsible and having the consequences of that taught me about the importance of responsibility.

    Me: Yep. Learning through contrast. The story of the human experience. That’s very interesting.

    Judas: Yes.

    Me: Do you have any messages or advice for humanity?

    (Long pause)

    Me: We need words of wisdom, Judas!

    Judas: My only advice is about behavior that humans are slowly evolving out of. We put people on pedestals and worship them.

    Me: Yeah.

    Judas: Then when we tire of them, we knock them off of the pedestal and want to crucify them literally or figuratively. This has happened over and over again in human history.

    Me: Including with Christ, I guess.

    Judas: This is why I chose that phrasing. We tend to do this because we don’t want to take responsibility for our own choices. We don’t want to think for ourselves. We want a leader to do it for us.

    Me: It’s hard.

    Judas: Of course it is. Then when that leader no longer fits the needs we designed for them, we get angry with them. It might start out with boredom or ridicule and then rise to anger. Parents often put their child on pedestals and have expectations for them that sometimes aren’t met. Sometimes we do it with politicians.

    Okay, so just so you know, I have no politicians on pedestals now.

    Judas: We do this with so many different people in so many different ways. If there is anything you desire in life, it’s in your power to create it for yourself. You just have to believe that you can.

    Me: That’s so true.

    Judas: That doesn’t excuse anyone else from saying everybody’s on their own because we are a collective. We’re interdependent. We’re here to help each other be responsible for each other and ourselves. That extends past human beings to the entire planet, and once we get out into the Universe, it will extend there.

    Me: So what do you think about the state of humanity? Please be gentle!

    Judas: This isn’t just my perspective. When you are in spirit, you have a deeper and broader awareness. It’s exponential compared to when you’re in a human body. We understand—and that includes me, of course—that everything that happens is meant to expand our awareness of ourselves, of the beauty of existence, all of those things. I won’t say that I’m not hopeful because that would not be truthful. I am hopeful.

    Me: Even the bad expands our awareness and helps us evolve.

    Judas: Yes. Every experience pushes us, compels us, motivates us, as consciousness, to become aware.

    Me: Aware of what?

    Judas: Awareness is so expansive. It just depends on what you’re focusing on. It can be multiple things or a single thing like, as I mentioned earlier, a betrayal.

    Me: Is there a general thing we’re striving to have a more expansive awareness of?

    Judas: I was just going to tell you. Human beings are, in the broadest sense of the word, healers. We’re born healers.

    Me: Hm.

    Judas: Just as Christ is, we are all healers. All life in the Universe is innately constructive rather than destructive. Although there are some times when it’s necessary to be destructive to heal. Sometimes things do have to break down, but ultimately, even the destruction of things can lead to new constructions. In order to come into full awareness of their being healers, human beings, they need to go through all of that physical pain, emotional suffering.

    Me: Interesting. So what do you think about Erik? He so graciously brought you in and listened to what you had to say.

    Judas: Erik is a perfect example to everyone of what a healer is.

    Me: How so?

    Judas (smiling): Because healing doesn’t just happen in one way. It happens in many ways, but what opens people up to allowing themselves to be healed is laughter.

    Oh, that’s Erik, all right.

    Judas: Erik is very good at understanding that because he spent a lifetime of not laughing very much.

    Me (sadly): Yes.

    Judas: You see how that contrast works? He uses laughter to heal. He uses laughter all the time.

    Robert: He makes me laugh all the time!

    Me: I know! Humor is powerful stuff.

    Robert: Very.

    Erik: Humor, joy, it all boils down to connection. That’s what heals.

    Robert: He’s showing me a visual of blog members or maybe even people not associated with the blog, and he’s sitting down with his hand on their shoulder whether they know it or not, you know, comforting, nurturing, supporting.

    Me (tearing up): Aw.

    Robert: All traits of a healer.

    Me: So you’re a healer, Erik.

    Erik: I guess so.

    Me: Aw, a healer and a guide. I’m so proud of you. Are you proud of him, Judas?

    Judas: Of course. We’re all very, very happy with Erik and the work he does.

    Me: Okay. Two more things. What do you think about Channeling Erik and the direction we’re going in?

    (Long pause)

    Me: Any advice? Anything?

    Judas: The only advice I have is for you. It’s about rest. Don’t feel guilty when you take time for yourself. It’s okay to stop for a little bit and disconnect.

    Me: Yes, I do that sometimes.

    Erik: There are times you know you have to do other things, but in the back of your mind you think, “Oh I have to do this. I have to do that.” Or “What do I do next?” Sometimes it’s okay to disconnect.

    Wish I knew how to be better at it!

    Erik: It’ll take practice. You’re just that kind of person, Mom. You’re very driven, and, like Michelle, you’re very kinetic.

    Me: Well, I like being busy.

    Judas: That’s okay, but if you start to feel like you’re suffering, then you know it’s time to pull away.

    Me: All right. Anything else on Channeling Erik?

    Judas: We’re all very pleased with Channeling Erik. It’s raising consciousness.

    Me: We?

    Judas: The collective. Human consciousness is being elevated by it in more ways than you know. I won’t go into it because it might seem so disconnected to you.

    Me: Well thank you. So Erik, why don’t you ask Judas a question?

    Erik: Okay, Mom.


    Robert (laughing): Be serious!

    Me: It’s not like him to be serious!

    Robert: Oh, I know. He just looked down and said, “So what do you think about toe jam?”

    Robert and I laugh.

    Me: And your answer is??

    Judas (smiling): It’s unsightly.

    Me: I guess so!

    Robert’s still laughing.

    Robert: Erik, do you have another, more serious question?

    Erik: I like to break the tension.

    Me: Good! That’s one of your gifts.


    Me: Talking toe jam with Judas!

    Robert: Mm hm.

    Erik: I’m trying to think of a good one, but I’m in kind of a goofy mood now.

    Me: Oh boy. Of course.

    Erik: In your life as Judas, did you have a wife or someone you were involved with? Were you married, and did you have kids? It’s not like I don’t know the answer to this. I just wanted to ask something humans could connect with.

    Me: That’s a good idea.


    Judas: No. There was no one.

    Me: Aw.

    Robert: Really? I don’t know anything about his life.

    Me: I don’t either. Interesting. Well, thank you, Judas. Do you have anything else you’d like to say in your own behalf or for anybody?

    Judas: I didn’t want the responsibility.

    Robert laughs.

    Me: Oh, of course you didn’t! Oh my god, the chimpanzee in you never left! That makes sense. Anything else you want to say before you go?

    Judas: The only thing left is to say, “thank you.”

    Me: Thank you. This was wonderful. I think this will enlighten a lot of people and clear up misunderstandings about you.

    Judas (clasping his hands together): I suppose one would say I was the black sheep.

    Me: I know, but you’re not in my book. Bye.

    Judas waves goodbye and walks off.

  • July7th2015

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    Well, my rice experiment isn’t going too well. The first one growing mold is the one I send thank yous to, and the one I call an idiot is fermenting nicely. Erik says that I can’t play the part of the asshole, and I feel so bad about calling that one jar of rice an idiot that I subconsciously send it love and healing energy! Why is the “thank you” jar molding? Maybe that’s a reflection of me being uncomfortable with compliments. Just a guess. So, Erik told me to just let the labels on the jars (thank you, idiot and ignore) do the job for me. I might have to dump it all out and try again. Sigh.

    Enjoy the next to the last part of our interview with Judas!

    Me: Any other disciples you want to give a shout out to, Judas?

    Judas (smiling): No. There is nothing more that I need to say to them.

    Me: Okay. What were you here on Earth to learn?

    Judas: Don’t second-guess your actions. Do what you’re naturally inclined to do.

    Me: Okay.

    Judas: That’s part of being who you are.

    Me: Well, that’s true.

    Judas: So many people don’t do what they’re meant to do as individuals. They aren’t being who they are because they fall into the pressures of what society and others say they should or should not do. Or sometimes they get all bogged down in the right and wrong of things. You cannot completely ignore these external things, but you have to keep them in balance. That being said, I could have learned to balance who I am with consequences that won’t be too chaotic.

    Me: Okay.

    I go on even though I don’t fully understand. Don’t ask me why.

    Me: Do you feel like you accomplished your lesson?

    Judas (smiling): Yes, and here’s a little secret.

    Me (teasing): I won’t tell anybody.

    Judas (laughing and teasing back): Oh, I know you won’t.

    I laugh.

    Judas: You always accomplish your lessons whether you realize it or not. It’s not the doing that makes a lesson become accomplished. It’s the awareness you gain from having gone through an experience that you might label as a lesson.

    Me: Ah!

    Judas: You develop a greater depth to your awareness. Whether you gain that awareness in the physical world or the spiritual one doesn’t matter.

    Me: Mm. So can you give me an example of an experience you learned from or gained a deeper awareness from?

    (Very long pause)

    Robert: I guess he’s trying to be thoughtful about it because he’s just standing here smiling.

    Judas: There were so many experiences. I have to choose one. I guess my speaking more freely than I should have is a broad example.

    Me: Okay.

    Judas: And I’ll just repeat what I said earlier. You can be who you are as long as you develop an awareness of what your actions might create for yourself or others. You have to learn how to put those in balance for you. The balance is different for each of us. It’s not the same for everybody. The only thing that is the same is that what you feel is a sense of satisfaction or comfort. That doesn’t mean you don’t feel pain. Pain and suffering are two different things.

    Me: Tell me the difference.

    Judas: Pain in the physical body is more physical. Your knee hurts; your head hurts. That is pain. You can develop suffering along with that if there is an emotional lack of acceptance of the pain.

    Me: So suffering is the emotional resistance to pain?

    Judas: Yes.

    Me: Wow.

    Judas: Pain or experiences in general—you can have an experience that creates a lot of emotional suffering only because you can’t accept it. That does not mean you’re necessarily in any physical pain.

    Me: So in my case, my heart aches from Erik’s death. It’s a physical pain. There was suffering from that because I was not able to accept him being gone.

    I choke up a bit.

    Judas: What do you think?

    Me: I don’t know. You tell me what I think.

    Robert laughs.

    Me: That’s the way it works with these here interviews. I ask the questions, and you answer them.

    Robert and I laugh, and Judas smiles. I bet he’s not all that impressed.

    Me: I just want to understand the anatomy of what you’re saying. That’s what it seems like you’re saying.

    Judas: Yes, there is some resistance to what is happening when there’s suffering.

    Me (teasing): Now was that so hard to say, Judas? Huh?

    Robert laughs and Judas smiles. Again, probably not impressed by my poor attempt at humor.

    Me: What were you here to teach?

    Judas: What I said earlier. Being yourself.

    Me: Okay, so the same thing. That was your spiritual mission?

    Judas: That was a big part of it. To get more into the subtleties of it—

    Robert: Oh, a butterfly just passed by. That always happens when I channel!

    Me: Oh, wow!

    Robert: Two of them.

    Judas: –to remember that you can be who you are and make sure it’s balanced for you.

    Me: Even in the silence you can be who you are. Actually, in the silence, without nervous chatter, you can truly recognize yourself.

    Judas: Yes. You have the opportunity to examine why you are nervous.

    Me: Yeah. ‘Who am I? What is my definition of me outside of the opinion of these people I feel the need to please with chatter?’

    Judas: It’s only nervous chatter when you are unaware that you are chattering because you are uneasy. Not knowing can perpetuate more nervousness. When you stop and think, ‘Well I’m talking a lot because I like it,” then that’s okay. There’s nothing, from the human perspective, that is wrong with that.

    Me: Yeah, I have nervous chatter to fill in silence, but I also like to talk and share things with people. It’s my way of forming connections, of connecting with people. That’s why I like it. Have you incarnated on the earth now?

    Judas: I have several incarnations going on.

    Me: On the earth?

    Judas: On Earth and elsewhere. There are four going on on the earth now and several going on elsewhere in the Universe.

    Multitasker. Bravo, dude.

    Me: Which one do you think resonates most with you or that I would want to hear about?

    (Long pause)

    Robert (chuckling): Well that’s sweet. He says it’s not a human being. None of his incarnations on Earth are human.

    Me: Oh wow.

    Robert: A koala bear!

    Me: I love koala bears! They’re so cute, but they must be bored with their diet! Eucalyptus leaves for breakfast, lunch, dinner and bedtime snack. Oh my god. Why did you choose to incarnate as one of those?


    Me: Of course it just makes me want to hug you even more.

    Robert (laughing): I know! Exactly!

    Judas: There’s a bit of irony in their diet because eucalyptus is primarily known as a poison. Many human beings, for so long, saw me as a poisonous person as were my actions.

    Robert: So is that why you wanted to be a koala bear?

    Me: Yeah, what the heck? Maybe it’s because of the hugs you never had as a kid.

    Judas: I didn’t really have an intention for being one, but I guess as we’re talking about it, it’s because I’m really soft and cuddly when you get to know me.

    Me: Aw.

    Judas: You just have to get past everything else.

    Robert: He acts like a regular Joe to me.

    Judas "Huggy Bear" Iscariot

    Judas “Huggy Bear” Iscariot

  • July6th2015


    As a spur of the moment decision, we decided to drive down to a ranch in Curero, Texas owned by Houston’s parents. (Houston is my daughter, Kristina’s, hubby.) I think we kind of invited ourselves while having a random phone conversation with Kristina during our date night dinner. Oops.

    I’m a country girl at heart and love the simpler things so being around cows and other wildlife was just up my alley. It’s cool, too, that I didn’t have to pick up after Bella’s poop. I mean, when your dog lays a jelly bean next to a cow patty as big as a dinner plate, you let it slide. 

    Bella so wanted to run after the cows. She’d no sooner get within their range than she’d become goo to be cleaned from their hooves, so we had to keep her on a leash on our walks. Plus, there are tons of Mexican Eagles out there that would love to have her for a hors d’oeuvre (also know as “horse’s ovaries” to my mom) before chowing down on a rabbit.  

    Houston’s parents, Lisa and Grant, are salt of the earth people. So genuine and easy to talk to. No wonder our son-in-law is so wonderful. We hope it’s only one of many weekends together. I hope your weekend was just as nice.

    Enjoy our continuing conversation with Judas!

    Me: Erik, what’s up?

    Robert: Hair dryer!

    Robert laughs. I do my WTF face.

    Me: What are you talking about?

    Robert: I don’t know.

    Me: Are you making a reference to my hair?

    Erik (laughing): No, I just told Robert to make sure he said that.

    Robert: Well that’s just the craziest thing.

    Me: All this moisture from the rain and all this heat is making my hair look like Donald King’s. It’s what my hair looks like if I tried to blow dry it. It poofs all up.

    Robert: Do you use a hair dryer?

    Me: No, because when I do it makes my hair look the way it does now.

    Robert: You should have had me say “wall socket,” Erik.

    Me: Yeah, really! So you want to finish up with Judas? Can you get him back here, Erik?

    Erik: Sure.

    Robert: He calls him “Jude.”

    I start singing “Hey Jude” much to my own embarrassment.

    Now Robert joins in.

    Judas enters.

    Judas: I hope you’re pleased with what I relayed to you yesterday.

    Me: Oh yes! And I hope we shed some truth on your story today, too, for your sake. I guess you don’t necessarily care, now that you’re in spirit.

    Judas: I don’t, really.

    Robert chuckles.

    Me: Okay, let’s talk about your relationship with the other disciples.

    (Long pause)

    Judas: I’ll talk about the disciples in general. We were only together when we were with Christ. In other words—

    Me: During Christ Time.

    Judas: Yes. When we were together in that function. Very few of us were involved with each other’s lives and families outside of that.

    Robert: He gives me the impression that their association was mostly professional.

    Me: Like coworkers showing up in the office and not hanging around for the TGIF party after work.

    Robert: Yes.

    Judas: There wasn’t a lot of gossip between us—not that I was aware of.

    Robert and I laugh.

    Robert: It makes me think he’s wondering whether any of them were talking behind his back!

    Me: Really! Was there one that you liked or respected more than the others?

    Robert: He brought up the name John. Is he a disciple?

    Me: Yeah. What did you like or respect about him?

    Judas: John exuded a confidence that I didn’t always have in myself. This is why I spoke so freely at times. I had this anxiety.

    Me: Nervous chatter?

    Judas: Yes.

    Me: Filling the awkward silences.

    Judas: Yes. One could say that I wasn’t very grounded in the physical world, and that made me talk all the time without thinking about what I was saying or whether I should say it. John was not that way. He is not that way. He will give his honest perspective of you, and he would put it in a way that was not intended to hurt your feelings, but it did on occasion.

    Me: Okay. Were there any that you didn’t get along well with?

    Judas: No.

    Me: Oh, that’s good. Do you feel the disciples channeled the Bible or was some of it of their own creation through their filters and opinions?

    Judas: Paul—

    Robert: Paul must have written some of the Bible, I guess.

    Judas: Paul is very opinionated about what he feels is right and wrong, and he had strong opinions about societal roles including male and female ones in particular. In my opinion, much of what he contributed to the Bible was from his own personal belief system.

    Me: But Jesus said there is no right or wrong.

    Judas: Well, in the physical world and its definitions.

    Me: Oh okay.

    Paul enters to defend himself!

    Paul: But –

    Robert: Paul looks very opinionated!

    Me: Paul came in?

    Robert: Yes, he’s here.

    Paul: –in the grand scheme of things, everything that is said by anyone, regardless of whether it’s a personal belief, it gives others the ability to think and choose for themselves. Then that perpetuates our evolution as a species.

    Me: Well a lot of very religious  take everything in the Bible as fact rather than thinking about it and making their own choices. That’s not evolution.

    Paul: But those people, in their non-thinking, are examples to other people that maybe they should think. They’re being an example for other people in whether they should have the same mindset or another.

    Me: Oh, okay.

    Paul: Many times, things that create disharmony are there because the potential for it was already in us. Someone has to bring it to the surface for others to become aware that others are that way or that they are themselves.

    Me: And did you do that? Did you bring that out?

    Paul: That was my mission.

    Great save, Paul.

    Me: Did you know that at the time?

    Paul: No. When I was writing, I wasn’t conscious of my motives for it.

    Me: All right. Thank you for coming in!

    Paul gives a little head bow and leaves.

    Me on a bad hair day

    Me on a bad hair day

  • July2nd2015


    Before you go on to read the post, I’d like to announce the next Channeling Erik Weekend of F-ing Enlightenment this November in Los Angeles. Actually it’s only a Saturday event, not a weekend, so no hotel rooms are needed unless you’re coming from far away. The last one booked up very quickly so please don’t dilly dally as we say in the South. Here are the details: CHANNELING ERIK WORKSHOP

    The last celeb was an atheist, so let’s make a 180 and hear from a disciple. 

    Me: You know who I’d like to bring in for an interview who may have been misunderstood? Judas Iscariot.

    Robert: Oh, that’s cool.

    Me: What do you think, Erik? Can you go fetch him?

    Erik: Guess what I’m going to say, Mom?

    Me: What?

    Erik: Dude’s already here.

    Robert laughs.

    Me: All right! Good! Hello, Mr. Iscariot. How are you?

    Judas: Good afternoon.

    Me: I’d love to give you the opportunity to share your story. Would you like to do that?

    Judas: It’s been a long time.

    Me: Yes, I know. I feel like you were misunderstood just like Mrs. O’Hair was, so I wanted to give you a chance to speak for yourself.

    Judas: Thank you for that, and yes, I would like to set things straight to use 21st century vernacular. I didn’t betray Jesus.

    Me: That was going to be my next question. Tell me what happened.

    Judas: It was a plan he and I both made together. We had talked about this. In the life I was as Judas, one could say I was very free with my tongue. I didn’t hold things back. I couldn’t keep a secret. Christ knew this. This is why he wanted me in his fold. We had a conversation about this. The way it ended up happening is this: I enjoyed the drink. Wine, you know, alcohol. I was at the local pub, and I was speaking freely about Jesus. I could be a braggart. All of these things, he know I was going to do. We talked about it before. There were soldiers there and others sympathetic to the emperor. He told me it was going to happen, and knowing that, perhaps I made it so. I don’t know, but this is why everything happened the way it did with Christ going into the city –

    Robert: He shows an image of Christ traveling on a donkey. I don’t know if that’s when he was arrested. I should know this stuff.

    Judas: Many of the things I said when I was drunk and bragging only made the people in power feel more intimidated by him.

    Me: Jesus?

    Judas: Yes. They saw the power he could wield and how he could influence other people so deeply. They knew that there were far fewer of them than there were of the masses. Many of the struggles that went on in my time go on today. So they wanted to hold onto their power, and it became important to get rid of him. Ultimately, they failed, at least in physically killing him, but they succeeded in silencing him.

    Me: That’s true. Did they offer you money to show them where he was?

    Robert: He showed me a real quick image of how people saw it like Judas led the soldiers to Jesus.

    Me: Yeah. That’s the story, I think.

    Robert: And then they arrested him and carted him off?

    Me: Right. Was that not the case?

    Judas: No, that’s not what happened. That’s not entirely true.

    Me: Well tell me what happened.

    Judas: Yes, soldiers did show up and attempted to take Christ in, but Christ is a master of communication. He told them that he would turn himself in.

    Me: Oh.

    Judas: That’s what happened. Christ turned himself in, but not at that moment. The soldiers left, and I received no compensation. Everyone assumes I was paid, but I was not. So remember how I said Christ and I had conversations?

    Me: Yes.

    Judas: So to piece things together: getting drunk and bragging at the pub got the soldiers to come to Christ. I did lead them there.

    Me: Wait. You led them there on purpose, or did they just happen to follow you?

    Judas: It didn’t occur in that moment. That came later.

    Me: Oh, okay. Well why did you lead them there? I don’t understand.

    Judas: To get back to the plan Christ and I talked about, I informed him of what transpired and Christ told me that was his destiny. He told me to please let the soldiers know where I am.

    Me: Okay, I got it.

    Judas: So I led them there a couple of weeks after that time in the pub. So as I said, Christ told the soldiers he would turn himself in, and they left. Then later, he rode into the town on a donkey and gave himself up.

    Me: Now, you killed yourself—

    Robert: Oh, I’m sorry. He wants to answer your question, but then Jesus said something.


    Judas: I did not kill myself.

    Me: Oh! What happened?

    Judas: People who found out what happened murdered me.

    Me: How?

    Robert: He shows himself standing at the edge of a deep ditch, like a ravine. It’s deep enough that you’d hurt yourself or probably die if you fell in. It was getting to be nighttime and a group of men surrounded him.

    Me: Okay.

    Robert: They started pushing him and yelling at him. One of them picked up a really big rock and smashed him in the head.

    Judas: I fell in the ravine and died there.

    Me: Aw, that’s too bad.

    Judas: I didn’t suffer.

    Me: Oh, that’s good.

    Jesus makes a cameo appearance!

    Jesus: I wanted to explain why it had to happen the way it did. When I was a human being, I had frequent conversations with the Father, and I knew exactly what my destiny was, which was to sacrifice myself for humankind. I spoke of love in every message I gave, and the love I spoke of is unconditional, but it had a flavor of rebellion in it. One should rebel in order to appease those parts of you that feel you’ve been stripped of the ability to choose for yourself. That’s one side. On the other side, you must also, if you’re going to fully love, respect the law of the land. I wanted to teach human beings that, if we’re to get along as human beings, we need to know that there are some things the law does that runs counter to what an individual knows within his or herself as right, but you should still respect them. That doesn’t mean you don’t rebel against them.

    Okay, I’m confused.

    Jesus: So my message was that you do what you’re inclined to do, but at the same time, you be willing to accept the consequences. Had I not gone through what I did, then I would have been sending the message to humans that you must fear the consequences.

    Me: So Jesus, did you pretty much instruct Judas to report you to the authorities so you could sacrifice yourself?

    Jesus: I don’t tell people to do anything. I only ask them to do what they feel they must, and what they must do is what they, as an individual, are inclined to do. So I merely gave Judas the insight into what I saw would transpire and said nothing further.

    Me: He made the decision. I understand.

    I guess it’s not technically betrayal if you’re given the green light.

    Me: Looking back, Judas, do you have any regrets?

    Judas: At the end of my life right before I died, I regretted that people did not see that I was just being who I am. In that moment, it made me wonder if I should have been who I was. That was self-judgment on my part. I thought, ‘I brought this on myself, and betrayed the Savior.

    Me: But you said you didn’t betray him.

    Judas: But that’s what I believed while I was in the physical world. I did not feel that way until the men surrounded me and confronted me. I started to believe what they told me. I saw the reaction my action created.

    Me: If you hadn’t have done what you did, starting with mouthing off in the pub and so on—

    Judas: It would have still occurred.

    Me: What would have occurred?

    Judas: I still would have died in the way I did, and Christ still would have—

    Me: Been crucified but not died on the cross.

    Judas: Right.

    Me: I don’t know where this question comes from but some say you lied to the Jews to defend Jesus. Is that true?

    Judas: Rarely was I a conscious liar.

    Robert chuckles.

    Judas: Because I always spoke so freely. To speak freely, you really can’t have lies in your heart. It takes time to formulate a lie.

    Me: So you didn’t lie?

    Judas: But—

    Robert laughs. Is Judas hemming and hawing?

    Judas: –there were moments when I mixed lies with the truth.

    Me: What do you mean?

    Judas: Anything I thought could undermine the message of Christ I put in the back, and anything I thought would elevate the message I’d put in the front. So I accentuated—

    Erik starts singing that song from The Jungle Book: “Accentuate the positive…”

    Robert and I laugh. Not sure if Judas has seen the movie. He’s keeping quiet.

    Judas: Well that’s what I did.

    Robert: I don’t know what you were referring to.

    Me: I don’t either! I made this list of questions a while back! So Judas, apparently Jesus didn’t die on the cross. Do you want to talk about that? Were you involved in saving him?


    Robert: Yeah, I was asking him to repeat that several times for me. The first thing that I heard, and he repeated it several times was that the crucifixion was underway when—

    Me: He died?

    Robert: Yeah. That’s what he’s leading me to believe. Either he wasn’t able to get there to help, or he already died.

    Me: Okay. What is your relationship with Jesus now, Judas?

    Judas: Nothing has changed since when we were in the physical world.

    Me: Well tell me about your relationship, then. We haven’t really talked about that.

    Judas: The thing that I observed in the physical world but wasn’t always fully conscious of until I crossed over is that Christ treated every one of his disciples and everyone he encountered in the exact same way.

    Me: Mm!

    Judas: The only thing that changed was that his interaction with a person would be tailored to who he or she was, individually. That’s love. It transforms into what the person needs.

    Me: Right. Oh yeah.

    Judas: In the physical world, Christ gave me what I needed to continue to be my true self. He did that with everyone else. In the spiritual world, it continues, but you’re not contained by the human mind. The human mind can only be aware of so many things at once. In the spiritual world, it’s infinitely deeper and associated with infinite awareness.


    Robert: He tears up when he talks about this.

    Me: Aw.

    Judas: The other thing Christ does, which I could feel unconsciously and which caused people to be drawn to him is his ability to give you what you need. In the spiritual world, he reflects everything you need back to you, and you realize that reflection he gives you is the same as what you send to him, so you realize that you’re no different from Christ or any of what people would consider the great spiritual teachers. We’re all exactly the same. That’s a gift. That’s an amazing and beautiful gift.

    Robert: I’m getting chills.

    We conclude the interview with Judas the next day.

  • June23rd2015


    Today is a busy day! I have a session with Jamie for our next YouTube. I also have a radio interview with Wisdom from the North’s host, Jannecke Øinæs at 2:00 PM CT. If you check on my Events page, you’ll see the link to the podcast, but I’m not sure if it’ll be ready today or tomorrow. Then I have a long conference call with my publicist right after that. Add those to finishing up laundry, taking Bella to the groomer’s, picking up her friend and half-sister, Gidget for a playdate, getting groceries and other things makes for supreme craziness. I will say this. I greatly admire anyone who can fold fitted sheets. When I do it (after fighting to get a lumped up towel or two twisted into one of the sheet corners, it looks like absolute crap. Oh well. Oh, and I see my husband left some sewing for me to do today. I bet Madalyn never had to fold fitted sheets or sew on buttons. Or did she. I should have asked. 

    Me: Is that why you decided to come today to be interviewed? Was it to send a message to some of the blog members?

    Madalyn: My initial reason was to tell you what my definition of an atheist is and to get my point across. I also wanted to let you know –

    Erik (to Madalyn): Tell her what you told me!

    Madalyn: Okay. And I can’t stand it when someone misinterprets who I am as a person.

    Me: Sure.

    Madalyn: When I refused to be interviewed last time, I could feel that from a lot of people. Maybe I took offense to it.

    Me: Sure.

    Madalyn: Spirits can get angry.

    Me: But it’s different, right?

    Robert started saying “He says” and interrupts himself.

    Robert: You know why I keep saying, “he?” Because she comes off as very masculine.

    Me: Yes, of course. I think she may have been a lesbian.

    Robert: Oh, okay.

    Me: We won’t ask, though. That’s her personal business.

    Robert asks me to refresh his memory because he’s totally lost. I do and he proceeds.

    Madalyn: Now do you remember, Robert?

    Robert (laughing): Yes I do! She acts almost a little annoyed!

    Me: You’ve got spunk! I like that.

    Madalyn: Hell, yeah.

    Robert: She likes to cuss.

    Me: You remind me of my mom.

    Madalyn: I get irritated when people believe what they’re told and go through this whole experience of letting the blind lead the blind. Then they misinterpret things. They never step back and assess for themselves. It makes me angry when they don’t really see the truth. That’s what I was trying to teach people when I was in my physical life. Find your truth, and the truth isn’t always what I say it is. It’s what you know it to be when you’ve wiped the slate clean of what everyone else has told you, and you stop and think from your own unique vantage point.

    Now I understand why she didn’t like the idea of a God directing all of us peons on Earth.

    Me: You define your own truth.

    Madalyn: Exactly.

    Me: Do you think that was your main spiritual mission, not limited to the whole atheist activism?

    Madalyn: I’d say so.

    Me: Okay.

    Madalyn: I lived in my truth without fear. Up until the very end, I was not afraid.

    Robert: I like her. She makes me feel confident. Sometimes I can have an issue with confidence.

    Madalyn: Sometimes?

    Robert laughs.

    Me: Do you think you succeeded in your mission?

    Madalyn: The whole success/failure thing, I don’t buy into it. I just did what I came here to do. I’m pretty happy with the results.

    Me: Okay, good. You’re very black and white.

    Robert: Yes, she is, isn’t she?

    Me: Mm hm.

    Madalyn: Well sure.

    Me: So you had this dominating, very assertive side to you. Were there any other sides to you? For example, did you have a nurturing side or any other side that you’d like to share with the world?

    Madalyn: Everyone always associates that domineering thing with not being nurturing, but I saw it as very nurturing.

    Me: Can you explain?

    Madalyn: Because I’m teaching you to take care of yourself. All these other labels people use like tough love to break people down—that was never my intention. The only reason you may take offense to something is because you’ve heard it from somewhere else that that’s not how you’re supposed to be. You have to be nice and quiet and gentle.

    Robert: She shows this person walking on eggshells.

    Madalyn: Or to be so worried about everyone else’s feelings. Well those are their feelings. They have to own up to their reaction to what I say.

    Me: So we have to completely separate our feelings from those of the ones around us in order to understand each other better?

    Madalyn: Sure. That friend of yours, Jamie, would call it boundaries.

    Me: Right.

    Madalyn (leaning forward): And I’ll tell you what. I like that Jamie.

    Me: Yeah, she’s great, isn’t she?

    Do I sense some flirting going on?

    Madalyn: She sure is.

    Me: What do you like about her?

    Madalyn: Well what’s not to like about her. Now you put me on the spot. Okay, I’ll be honest. She’s pretty.

    A ha!

    Me: She is.

    Madalyn: She’s like the opposite of how I am in many ways. She’s softer. Even her assertive side is softer than I am. She’s like a fluffy pillow.

    Robert laughs hard.

    Me: That you just want to hug.

    Madalyn: Pink and lavender. A pink and lavender fluffy pillow.

    Me: And you just want to hug that pillow, huh?

    Madalyn: That’s right. We need people like her; we need people like me.

    Me: That’s true.

    Madalyn: We need people like Erik; we need people like you; we need people like Robert, because together we learn from each other.

    Amanda Grieme wanted me to post this old radio interview for you to listen to. It’s hilarious. Click HERE.

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