I’m pleased to announce that I was finally able to get the eBoard demo videos to upload onto YouTube. Sorry it’s in three parts. My husband kept stopping the recording, thinking we were finished when we weren’t.
Here’s something important: Many of you have expressed concern that the eBoard will invite evil spirits in. This is why the Ouija Board has gotten a bad rap. But all you have to do is give an intent. You can create one in any way that you want, but there must be certain components. Here’s mine:
“God Source, thank you for surrounding us with your golden white light of protection. We call on our guides, friends, families and relatives to come forth and speak to us in all honesty for our highest purpose. All others are unwelcome at this time.” After you give this intent for the first time, you can replace it with the word or phrase of your choice with the intention that it holds the same meaning. I use the word, “apple.” Don’t ask me why.
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I got back from my book signing event in San Francisco late last night. The staff at Book Passages was awesome and a special shout out to Johanna. Good luck with the upcoming baby. Erik, you help him or her out, okay?
We did have a scare though. Thursday night, my double oven went kaput. Seeing smoke and smelling burning electrical wiring is never a good sign. I was hoping it was just a transient Erik prank, but no, the situation was terminal. The fried control board was no longer available. Naturally. So during my trip, I had to scour the planet for an oven that could be purchased and installed by Thanksgiving. Yesterday, our fears were allayed when we found one. It’s coming in tomorrow. Talk about down to the wire.
Last year we just went out to a restaurant for Thanksgiving, something that we’ve NEVER done. We were all sad about Erik and too unmotivated to cook. So, to compensate and to honor our vow never to take that sort of (boring and sacrilegious) shortcut, Lukas and I schemed for hours on the menu for the big day. It was to be the best ever Thanksgiving. Everything homemade, including the cranberry sauce. None of that goop you shake out of a tin can like you do with dog food. So, to find out that same evening that we might not be able to put our plans into action brought us both to our knees. Thankfully our prayers worked. Maybe Erik had a hand in it.
Since the anniversary of JFK’s death was Friday, many of you have begged me to put his interview up. For those of you who aren’t aware, I took down all of the interviews of famous people, including him, because of all the hateful comments and emails I received. “Why on Earth do you think JFK would talk to the likes of you!” Most mediums can’t channel celebrities, even Jamie. It wasn’t until Erik brought them to her that she was able to. Since then, she’s been starstruck.
Below is the YouTube (audio only) on the JFK interview. I plan to take it down again Sunday so be sure you squeeze this one in!
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Me: What about celebrities? If somebody is, I don’t know, like Lady Gaga over here, are they treated with that same celebrity? Or even saints and the Pope. When they pass over, do they still enjoy that elevated status?
Jamie (giggling): He’s trying to say something in Latin. I don’t understand!
Me: Oh gosh.
Jamie: Like you do at church.
Me: No wonder he has a good vocabulary now. It’s all that Latin he knows now!
Jamie lets out a guffaw.
Erik: I get it. I get what you mean by celebrity and when you say celebrity, it’s also people in power and big gurus and teachers and loved ones and so forth. They’re totally recognizable, but again, they left the environment where they were holding the celebrity status, and they’re in a totally different environment. It’s a different experience. We don’t look at –you used Lady Gaga as an example. Way to be hip, Mom. —
Me: I chuckle. Boy he couldn’t be farther from the truth.
Erik: We don’t see Lady Gaga on the street and go, “Oh shit! Look who’s here! Lady Gaga!” We know it’s Lady Gaga, but it’s a completely different world, a completely different environment. We don’t have that—Oh fuck. I don’t even know what to call it.
Jamie (to Erik): Start simple.
Erik: Well, we don’t really have that separation from each other like you’re bigger and better than such and such. We all have the same confidence levels. We all have that same sense of grounding. There’s such a big scale on Earth. There’s a huge difference in those emotional stabilities on Earth. There are completely different status levels of emotional qualities. You know how you do those personality tests?
Erik: Yeah, you can still have that personality when you come here, but it doesn’t make you more noticeable or less noticeable or better or worse. You’re all as one. Godammit!
Jamie and I giggle at his frustration.
Erik: The more I talk about it, the more it sounds like it’s so fucking boring to be here, that everything’s the same. But it’s not like that at all. We’re just missing a lot of vocabulary, a lot of words to explain it, cuz there’s just not one for it on Earth.
Me: And of course us “regular” souls—I shouldn’t call it that, but Jamie, you might have been a rock star in another life. We could have been a Lady Gaga in one of our other lives, so… So that makes sense, right?
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Here’s the final part (phew!) of the Hitler interview and the last celebrity interview I plan to post. I hope you enjoy!
Me: What would the world have been like if you had not done the things that you did?
Hitler: Still much separation between races and cultures.
Me: Okay. Anything else?
Jamie (chuckling): My god. He just smiled!
Hitler: I like to think I had influence on the industrial era.
Jamie: And he smiled. You can tell it’s something he took pride in.
Me: Well, he did.
Jamie: Design and factories and metals. He’s proud of that, but you know when you talk about the war and everything, there was no smiling and no pride behind it. It was designed. It was a contract.
Me: It was something he had to do but wasn’t proud of? Weren’t you ashamed of it?
Hitler: I cannot be. I did what I was meant to do.
Me: I see. Do you have any messages for humanity, at all? Any advice or messages?
Hitler: We are in a world today, that if you feel strongly about your beliefs, you must stand up as an individual and make it heard, but it is very important to know what needs to be heard—
(Pause as Jamie listens to Hitler)
Jamie (to Hitler): Yeah, your translation is backwards again here.
Jamie: Sorry. We’re talking about the way he just translated that. Cuz he said what needs to be heard must be based on the whole. He’s giving a lot of imagery with it. So, basically, if you believe in something, don’t follow somebody else’s ideas. Stand up for your own ideas. But the only way you know if those ideas are valuable is if they’re helping the whole, the entirety: the family unit that you’re in, the company that you’re in, the state, the governments, the nation, the world—it’s gotta be a united front, not a single front.
Me: Okay. How would you envision the perfect world to be?
Hitler: Where there is no hatred.
Me: Mm. Will we ever have it?
Hitler: I see that we are getting close, and I know that the world can sustain it.
Erik (to Hitler): So, will we ever have it?
Hitler: For this, I don’t know.
Me: Okay. Now, Erik, what question do you have?
Erik: I wanna ask one thing: When you came out of that darkness, did you just look at yourself and say, “That was some fucked up shit!”?
Jamie: Believe it or not, that got the second smile out of him.
Jamie: He’s pausing.
Me: Oh, okay.
Jamie (laughing): Sorry. The quietness again!
Hitler: I know where you are coming from. I understand where you are coming from, but that life to me was no surprise. I was designed for it.
Me: Okay. Jamie, do you have any questions?
Jamie (emphatically): Huh uh!
Me: Thanks so much. We’ve learned a lot from you. I hope that helps you, too.
Hitler: Thank you. Have a good day. Goodbye.
Jamie: The one sitting down stands up, straightens his pants, walks straight out. Doesn’t say goodbye to me, acknowledge me, nothing.
Jamie: And the other Adolf that’s standing more casually waves. The one standing had kind of a tan suit on. This was weird. It’s almost like the world has created so much thought and descriptions of who Adolf should be, even in spirit, that he can’t come out of that design, that container from what the mass of thoughts and emotions have put on him. So, it’s almost like he divided himself so that one image can live so that people can put their hatred in one place or that healing or whatever they’re doing in that one location, and he can still be himself and house that (other Adolf), cuz he’s definitely, like I said, he’s not backing away from any of it.
Me: Wow! It’s interesting. Okay. That was a really good interview. We’ll see what kind of response that gets from the blog!
Jamie: Holy shit. Can you—I almost just about fell out of my chair when you asked him—I can’t even remember the question…
Me: Yeah, about him being like Jesus or something? How did he—
Jamie (laughing): I looked at Erik and said, ‘Holy shit, I’m not saying it.’ and he said, “Fucking say it. C’mon!” He said I was being a p-u-s-s-y.
We both giggle.
Jamie: And that’s when I asked, ‘Can I write it down?’
Me: Nah, you can say it, and it’s going to go on the blog, so…
Jamie: Holy fuck.
Erik’s been a bad influence on Jamie, language-wise. I rarely hear her curse.
Me: No editing here.
Jamie lets in a loud gasp.
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As I type this my little Yorkie is looking up at my empty stairwell growling and barking. When I put her down from the couch onto the floor, she goes to the stairwell and stares up. Then, she’ll run around like she’s chasing someone–Erik? Sigh. I’ll never get any work done as long as you’re teasing Bella!
By the way, on the top menu of the homepage, I’ve added all of the conference calls. The tab is simply “Calls”. I’ve also added a tab, “Erik Visits” so that everyone can post their stories about their “Erik encounters”. There have been so many, lately! Sadly, I haven’t figured out what html code to put in that page so that people can post those, but hopefully I’ll figure it out eventually. I’ve spent over 2 hours today trying to figure it out, but no luck!
After this interview with Hitler, I’ve decided to stop doing all celebrity interviews. First of all, it invites too much animosity. Second, these interviews don’t have much to do with Erik. I would like to stick with the trifecta: the energy between Erik, Jamie and me. That’s what channeling Erik is all about. Soon, we’ll start posting YouTube videos of sessions where Erik reviews the basics: what death is like, what’s going on in the afterlife, what it’s like to be a discarnate soul, what his personal journey is like, who we are and why we’re here and all things dealing with the human experience. Since discussing these topics long ago, Erik has learned a great deal more, maturing and growing into his guru shoes, so even you long-timers will hopefully gain a great deal. Erik will also touch upon current events as they happen such as the Boston Marathon tragedy and others that, sadly, are sure to come.
Enjoy Part Three!
Me: And what was your secret? How did you create this massive war? How were you able to convince the masses to make this all happen?
Jamie: Holy shit! (Turning her head to Erik) Am I going to say that?
Me: Ah oh.
Jamie: Oh my god. You—I don’t wanna be in that. Can I type it out for you?
Me: Sure, but why? Go ahead and say it! C’mon!
Jamie: Elisa. (Pause) I would never, uh, Erik.
Jamie: Sorry. I didn’t mean to make such quietness!
Jamie giggles nervously. She’s clearly uncomfortable with whatever Hitler said.
Jamie: He said, “How did Jesus get so many followers? What did he do?”
Good god. That comparison seems like a bit of a stretch. I’m afraid to go on, but I do.
Me: And, what did he do?
Hitler: It is a charisma. It is an attraction to the person and the strength of that person’s beliefs. It’s the ideology of feeling safe and guided and taught. I provided a role that I could take care of this country, of these people, that through this war I would give them the greatness that they seek, and I found people who would help me. I had thousands doing my bidding and by choice, not by force. This is what so many people forget.
Me: Ah! Did you have any disease—mental or physical—that made you, um, I mean, that created some of your actions?
I laugh at my own stuttering.
Jamie: Egocentric n-na…. I was going to say what he was saying, but—
Me: I was going to say did something make you crazy, but that’s not exactly what I mean. It’s disrespectful, but that’s, you know—
Hitler: I believe any man who has accepted a role of power lets it go to his head, and if we want to consider that mental illness, then so be it.
Jamie: But no, if we ask him technically, no.
Me: Okay. Now, when you crossed over, what was your life review like? Did you have any epiphanies or realizations?
(Very long pause)
Jamie: He was telling me he remembers being afraid of death.
Hitler: I’m not ashamed to say this out loud.
Jamie (to Erik): Did he, really? (To me) Erik was telling me he shot himself.
Jamie: I thought he got shot.
Me: No, he shot himself. Well, I don’t know. I’m pretty sure.
Erik (looking at Jamie): Nope.
Erik (pointing at Hitler, then pointing at himself): We’re in a club.
Me (slightly upset): Oh, no. Oh, Erik. That’s not a good club to be in.
Erik: For different reasons.
Hitler: I didn’t want to be imprisoned. I didn’t want to suffer. I was terrified of that. It kept me awake at night.
Me: Obviously while he was alive (dur).
Me (laughing at my stupid remark): Yes, of course.
Hitler: So, after I died, I just remembered darkness for what I think was a long time—probably many Earth years. I believed it was necessary for me to help forgive myself and heal myself for the contract I agreed to.
Me: But eventually, you had your life review, right?
Me: You did not have a life review?!
Jamie: He did not!
Me: Wow. Interesting. When you woke up, and you reflected on your contract, did you have any epiphanies or realizations?
Hitler: Those years in darkness—that’s what helped me identify my contract and heal myself.
Me: Okay. I gotcha.
Hitler: I played this role for the greater cause of humanity. I did not choose this role or develop this role for self-centering needs.
Me: Can you share a life that most influenced your life as Adolf Hitler?
Jamie (shocked): No!
Me: Because you refuse to, or.,,
Jamie: Uh, I don’t think there’s a life! Can I share what I think it is?
Me: Go ahead.
Jamie: Like just from the way he’s talking and what he’s showing me?
Me: Mm hm.
Jamie: I don’t feel like Hitler’s spirit is kind of a mix of things like the average human. We reincarnate; we grow; we shift. It’s more of like—I cannot believe I’m going to say this—more of like an angelic energy.
Oh no. This is not going to get good reactions. I might have to be under the Witness Protection Program.
Me (in disbelief): Wow.
Jamie: I know, I—
Me: Like an archangel?
How could I be even thinking this of a man who’s committed such atrocities?
Jamie: No, and I don’t believe he’s an angel, either, but when I hear angels talk to me about being on Earth, they don’t take place in this reincarnation back-to-back where this grow thing happens over so many lives. They have really specific reasons to be on Earth, and so to have—cuz when you talk about a past life, you really couldn’t, uh, he couldn’t show me anything.
Jamie: I don’t feel like this is his one and only life on Earth, but I feel like it’s such a unique contract seed, you know, this gathering of purpose, that there really wasn’t an inflection—it really wasn’t based on any kind of character or purpose or development.
Me: I see. I understand.
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I hope you all enjoyed Part One of Hitler’s interview. Unfortunately, I’m already receiving hate mail, but it comes with the territory on what I’m trying to accomplish. Let me just say that EVERY spirit has lessons to offer whether good or evil even if that lesson is what not to be. Please understand that I have over 400 interviewees on my list: Einstein, Hemingway, Confucius, Pope John Paul, and more. Plus, as one blog member said, this is Hitler’s personality speaking in Part One. The true nature, the higher self of all spirits, is perfect. If this offends anyone, you don’t have to read this or even be a member of the blog, but remember that you’ll be throwing the baby out with the bath water. It’s not anyone’s place to judge anyone but oneself.
Now, enjoy Part Two!
Me: Was that the only reason you did what you did (his childhood hardships), or was there some sort of spiritual mission or contract involved?
(Very long pause)
Jamie: He says it was a spiritual contract.
Me: Can you elaborate on that? How was it supposed to help? What was your contract about?
Hitler: It is unfortunate—
Jamie (whispering): He’s got these dramatic pauses.
Hitler: –that the world requires conflict for a massive amount of joy.
Jamie: Mm hm. You heard it.
Me: I don’t understand it, though. They need conflict in order to have massive amounts of joy?
Hitler: This is the role I played. This is not the being I truly am.
Jamie: He’s talking about unzipping out of the identity that we perceive him as so he may discuss this life as Hitler as a third party.
Me: Okay. We can do that. Anything that makes you more comfortable. Okay, so you’re life as Adolf Hitler, which you are not. Um, you’re not that personality anymore. I understand that. What was the effect of that spiritual mission?
Jamie: This is kind of weird to look at. I’m glad I’m not alone in the room. Erik keeps cutting his eyes at me like, “What?” Now there are two images of Hitler in the room. There’s the gentleman in the dark suit, sitting down. When he was talking about unzipping, he kind of stepped out of himself. The gentleman that’s standing next to him I know is Hitler, though I don’t know. He looks lighter. He’s has soft features. The way he’s standing is soft. His posture’s not stiff. He’s not as groomed to a T, so he looks more causal. He is wearing a suit, but the suit is open. He’s pointing to the Hitler sitting down, and he’s saying, “This is the man that you want to discuss. This is the role I played on Earth. This is what you wish to discuss. It’s hard to have a conversation through him, because all of the confusion, the hatred, the thoughts from all over the world that’s placed on his name.” I am not sad about this. The people have a right to be angry. They have a right to feel, though I do not regret the role and the contract I played for the world. This war that I created—
Jamie: It’s weird how he says I, not we. He totally takes it on himself. He’s not talking about countries.
Jamie: I asked him to back up. He’s being really kind to me.
Jamie: The one standing. The one sitting is just—I swear to god, I don’t think that one has blinked. He’s still sitting very straight up.
Hitler: This war that I created has given our history a focus and example of what to avoid and what to not create. I don’t have regrets because of how the world was shaped after it. It made changes that every culture needed to create for itself that didn’t have the fight or struggle that would make it so. I gave them the fight and the struggle. I knew what I needed to do before I was born and why I came. I will take that responsibility. I will never veer from it.
Me: All right, so what was the effect. Was what you did mean to create more peace in the world?
Jamie is talking over me. I can’t make out what she’s translating.
Jamie: He just totally interrupted you!
Hitler: It gave respect to beliefs, to religions. It gave cultures a way to bond. It gave society a structure to grow, and it gave people rights. It helped hand feed humanity to get to where it is today.
Me: Was that what you were here to teach?
Me: Okay. What about to learn? Were you here to learn anything?
Hitler: I was there to learn a lot of pain.
Me: And why would that be necessary?
Hitler: Because of who I am on this side, I’ve never had pain. It takes a strong soul to come through, to create such chaos. It’s a misconception to believe that only evil can create evil on Earth.
Me: Okay. So, you said you didn’t have any regrets about creating the war. Do you have any other regrets?
Hitler: I know very much—
Jamie: Okay, that’s translated a little bit weird.
Hitler: I know very much that people would want me to say how I regret the death and the suffering of so many people’s lives.
Me: Do you think you overstepped the boundaries?
Jamie: Oh my god. I hear “no”.
Hitler: This is what I was supposed to come in to do.
Me: Did you receive any help from your guides to create such a mass effect on the world?
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I’ll have to admit, I’m very nervous about posting this interview. Please know that I condemn the atrocities that Adolf Hitler committed, so please don’t shoot the messenger. This will be a four-part interview. As is usually in the case of these interviews, the first part starts a bit slowly because of the usual introductions and other niceties.
Me: Erik, can you go get Adolf Hitler in here?
Jamie (nervously): Oh my god!
Erik: We’re really doing this?
Me: Well, is it okay with you, Jamie?
Jamie: Mm hm.
Me: All right!
Jamie: No, he just left.
Me: Oh, he left.
Jamie: He was arguing with me. He goes, “I’m not going to go get him! You don’t treat him like an asshole. You treat him like a person. Don’t have any preconceptions.” And I was like, ‘Okay, fine, fine. I’m letting it go.’
Me: I’ve got some benign questions. I don’t have anything mean. (although he deserves to be raked over the coals for what he did.)
Jamie: I bet he doesn’t get called in for a lot of things for a casual discussion. He probably gets a lot of hate mail.
Me: Oh, poor guy.
I can’t believe I just said that, but…
Jamie (to Erik): Yes, I’m ready!
Jamie: He just popped back in and said, “Are you ready?”
Jamie (to Erik, slightly irritated): Yeah, stop!
Me: It’s like, “Heeeeere’s Adolf!” instead of “Heeeeere’s Johnny!” and he comes out from the curtain.
Jamie: Oh my god.
Me: So, he’s there?
Jamie: Yeah, he’s here.
Me: Hello, Mr. Hitler. How are you doing?
Hitler: Fine, thank you.
Erik (to Hitler): Take a seat.
Me: What does he look like, and what’s his mood?
Jamie: He’s got very stiff posture. There’s nothing fluid about him. (In a hushed tone) Um, his eyes are really dark. His eyebrows are kind of sinking low like his eye sockets don’t have a lot of space. I don’t know if that makes sense.
Me (teasing): No, but go on.
Jamie: Droopy. Droopy eyebrows. You know, that skin above?
Me: Mm hm.
Jamie: He’s just looking out. I don’t think I’ve seen him blink yet!
Me: Wow. What is he wearing, a military uniform?
Jamie: No, it’s a dark, probably black suit, and he has a tie on underneath it with a kind of high collar.
Jamie: But the jacket is buttoned up, and there are several buttons to it. It’s not like a casual suit like we see today. He’s shorter than I thought he would be.
Me: Does he seem comfortable and relaxed now?
Jamie: No, he’s sitting straight up in the chair, very—
Me: Anxious? Nervous?
Jamie: Are you? No. He told me “no”.
Me: Oh, good. All right. Let’s start with the questions, then. Tell us about your childhood. Did it have anything to do with the atrocities you committed here on the earthly plane? I’m sorry’ I can’t think of another word.
Hitler: Every man’s life’s actions are based on how he was created.
Erik: So, is that a yes?
Jamie: And you know what’s interesting? Erik is sitting on my side of the room. He’s next to me. Commonly, he stands next to the person we’re interviewing or sits next to them, but no, he’s on the same side of the room as I am. I almost feel like we’re interrogating him.
Me: Why is that, Erik?
Erik: I didn’t realize I did it.
Me: Okay. So, were there incidents in your childhood that caused you to do what you did?
Hitler: I never had much consistency in my family. There was not a lot of beauty. There was much disgrace within my family.
Me: What do you mean, skeletons in the closet?
Jamie and Erik giggle,
Jamie: Oh, Erik and I giggle at that, but he did NOT giggle.
Hitler: Yes. It is true that many lives in the family. I was displaced within my family.
Jamie: He’s saying he wasn’t raised by two traditional parents. The mother died, or the mother left?
Me: I don’t know.
Jamie: He’s showing me, as a child, he stopped having his mother. I can’t tell if she died or he moved. He’s not being very clear about it.
Hitler: I never thought I belonged to anyone. I was untethered, and I didn’t feel like I had any family or religion to lean on, not a country to feel a part of. I helped create that for myself.
Adolf Hitler as a Child
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Me: Now, obviously you were here to teach something. What was that?
Jamie: Uh, he straightens up his posture and comes closer to the edge of the chair. He’s-He’s pretty well poised. Okay. Sorry. (Clears throat)
JFK: I was here in this life given this great opportunity to be a public teacher, a public figure, a public leader, to help show that every life that comes into this great nation has a purpose, has a right to be heard and should, above anything, be honored in that way. It was a struggle for me to step outside of my family—
Jamie (to JFK): Mure? M-? I don’t know that word. I’m sorry. (To me) Some word that means family structure.
JFK: –to really get into the hearts of people. It would not have come across—
Me: Because your family, uh, are you saying your family didn’t believe in equality as much as you did?
JFK: My family believed in it, but didn’t know how to reach out for it.
Me: I see.
JFK: They let their status and their comforts secure them in a place where it narrowed their sight. So, I felt it was my mission to help broaden the vision of every American and really embrace all of the colors of our nation. If we stand united, we stand strong.
Me: Do you think you accomplished that?
JFK: Yes ma’am.
Me: Good. Did you have any insights when you crossed over?
JFK: I have to admit, I was relieved.
JFK: I knew the burdens and the struggles I was about to step into. I knew more than ever the years to come, and my leadership needed to be stronger than it was in the past. I confess, I was a bit tired of coming across the charlatans who claimed greatness but played foul. I was ready to be a family man, but in my position, it wasn’t going to let me, so when death came upon me that great day, I found relief.
Me: That’s wonderful. Are you currently reincarnated at this time in terms of linear time? I know, of course, there is no time where you are now.
JFK: Not currently as of 2013.
Me: Okay. Can you share another life that most influenced your life as JFK, President John F. Kennedy?
JFK: I will gladly share.
Jamie: He sits back, um, you know how you put your pointer fingers together almost like to make a steeple on a church?
Jamie: He has his pointer fingers up, but the other ones are laced together.
Jamie: And he has his pointer fingers together around his lips or on his chin. It’s like a thinking pose or something.
Me: I can see him doing that.
JFK: There was a life when I was a little boy—
Jamie (to JFK): Yeah, if you describe it, it’s easier for me. (To me) He’s giving me pictures and he’s highlighting things like he’s Caucasian. It’s a life in England. So, I told him, ‘Why don’t you tell me this as a story, and I’ll just repeat your words.’ The age he’s showing me is about, yeah, he was three years old.
JFK: I was raised by my mom and two sisters of a wealthy family. The Rutledge and—
Jamie: My god, it reminds me of those candies. Worthington?
Jamie: No, I guess it’s Werthers. That’s the candy, right?
Me: Oh, yeah.
Jamie: But I hear Worthington and Rutledge. The sisters had married into well to do families. I see the husbands were off at war so they came together to raise the children, and he was one of the kids. He keeps showing me images of him running through VERY manicured gardens, you know, those hedges that are cut so precisely.
Me: Oh, yeah.
Jamie: Huge fountains. It’s amazing. It’s what I would imagine seeing in a movie. And he’s just cutting loose. Free as a bird.
JFK: I remember hearing my name being called, so I stopped and sat down underneath one of the shrubs where I could not be seen. I tucked my legs up under. I remember the nannies talking about the war that was going on and how concerned they were for their families, but no one in the house had mentioned that they even had families. It was the first time I became aware that other people had lives, that other people weren’t there just to serve me or my mom or my auntie. When I ran back to the house and asked my mother about my nanny’s family, she shooed me away, you know, “It’s no concern of yours. Everything is fine.” I cried, because my mother didn’t even know my nanny’s husband’s name. She had no idea about her life outside her world. I wanted so badly to make everything okay. I remember telling my nanny that she would be okay. I was consoling her. So, I wanted a lifetime where I could make people see into anyone’s eyes and know their story.
Me: Mm. How profound. And you did.
Jamie: He’s pausing, then he nods his head and says, “Yes ma’am, I did.”
Me: Mm. Now, on that note, do you have any messages or advice for humanity?
JFK: I love the saying—
Jamie: All right. It’s Gandhi? “Be the change you want to see in the world.”
Me: Mm hm.
JFK: It’s your responsibility to teach the person next to you no matter where you are: on a bus, on a train, in line. It is your responsibility to teach and to teach without ego, to teach with compassion and to be the change you want to see in the world.
Me: Well said.
JFK: Thank you so much for having me today.
Me: You’re welcome. I’m honored to have you here.
JFK: May your day be blessed.
Me: Aw. Thank you and yours too. Erik, what questions do you have for Mr. President?
Me: Okay, well thank you so much. We really enjoyed this, and I, for one, learned so much from you.
Jamie chokes up.
Jamie (giggling with embarrassment): I’m a little verklempt!
Me: I can imagine.
Jamie (to JFK): Thank you for coming! Phew!
Jamie: God, he changed the face of the nation as we see it.
Me: Yeah. Amazing man. I don’t know how you do it, Jamie. See, I’m on the telephone hundreds and hundreds of miles away, but you’re over there face to face with them.
Jamie chuckles, then clears her throat.
Jamie: When he got up, he straightened his jacket and kind of brushed the front off and just kind of turned and walked off into the wall.
Jamie: Erik wanted to ask about Marilyn Monroe, and I told him no!
Me: Oh, Erik!
Jamie: I said, ‘Ask no questions! Let the man go!’
Me: Well, of course he heard that, though.
Jamie: Well, I know he heard it. He looked straight at me, and I apologized to him, and I just said ‘move on’ because I knew if I opened my mouth and put sound to it, we’d all have to go down a really weird path.
Me: I know. I know.
Jamie laughs hard.
Me: Well, he’s probably with her, I betcha, but we won’t go there.
Jamie (sighing): Oh, my god.
If you would like to here the YouTube video of the interview, it’ll be up tomorrow. Just look for the Channeling Erik channel.
This starts out a little slow, but toward the end and in the next two sessions, it has a lot of meaty, enlightening information.I hope you get as much out of this interview series as I did.
Me: Erik, do you think you can bring in JFK for us?
Jamie: It’s funny, visually watching him. It’s like he just rolled his shoulder to turn to get off the couch—
Me: Mm hm.
Jamie: —and he was gone.
Jamie: Like there was no standing up, no walking away. He just turned and just kind of, woomp, was gone.
Me: Oh, interesting.
Jamie (squealing like a little girl): Oh my god, JFK is going to come!
Me: You just realized that? I bet it’s like, “Whoa!”
Jamie: Yeah. Holy shit!
Jamie clears her throat, then exhales sharply.
Jamie (giggling): Erik’s here.
Erik: Chill out, Jamie!
I can’t help but laugh.
Me: Did he bring him?
Jamie: Yeah. God, I feel like I need to stand up or something. But I don’t have to do that, right?
Me (to JFK): Hi, Mr. President!
Jamie: Oh my god!! He said hello. He’s acting very casual. (to JFK in a squeaky little voice) Hi!
Me: How are you?
Jamie: Is this real? This is messed up. I’m standing up. (clearing throat) He’s standing. I don’t want to be sitting down.
Me: Have a seat Mr. President!
Jamie (to JFK): Oh, yes. Have a seat.
Erik (in a joking tone): Jamie, where are your manners!
Jamie and I chuckle.
Me: Well, we’d like to ask you some questions. I’m sure you’re used to interviews, obviously.
JFK: Yes, ma’am, I am.
Me: Good, uh—
Jamie: Kind of has a southern accent.
Me: No, he should have a Boston accent. I can see how you’d mistake that for a southern accent. Some of the vowels are pronounced the same.
Jamie: Cuz when he says “ma’am”—
Jamie: He’s just sitting here. He’s got a real thin tie on. White collar, nice suit. Has a bit of a shine to it. Or sheen.
Jamie (to JFK): Yeah, it’s a little bit different. It’s like being on radio.
Jamie: That’s what he’s telling me. These interviews, it’s like doing radio interviews, which is mostly what he was used to. People would describe how he was sitting or holding himself or what he was wearing so that the listeners could get an idea. That is true! I like that.
Me: So, Mr. President, what do you think your spiritual mission was here on Earth?
Jamie: He pulls down, you know how you reach up under your jacket sleeve and you kind of pull down your shirtsleeve?
Jamie: He adjusts that and his shoulders on both arms.
JFK: My spiritual mission in this life was to help unite the people of the United States.
Me: In what way? Can you give us more detail?
JFK: To give the common voice strength so that they, themselves, can make a difference.
Me: Okay. Did that have anything to do with minorities, racial unity?
JFK: I take pride in myself that I did not see the need to have race defined the way it was when I came into office.
Jamie: He’s smiling.
JFK: If you’re asking if the unity that I tried to give structure to for the everyday person involved race, yes it did. It involved the elimination of the old definition of race. It’s only been in the last few years that I’ve seen my efforts reach some of its potential. Some, not all of it. That’s not because we have a half African American in office. I’m saying this, because I’m listening to the language that kids are using and it’s not the same language that their parents are using. There’s a huge gap in this generation growing up.
Jamie: Um, what do I call him, Mr. President?
Me: That’s what I say.
Jamie (to JFK): Mr. President, what generation do you mean has the huge gap? What age frame are you considered that to be?
JFK: Ages 12 to 18.
Me: Okay. I’m wondering if this unity, this blur between all of the races, has anything to do with you giving a common voice to everyone, because when you said you gave a voice to everyone, that would include all races, obviously, and that was at a time when many races weren’t allowed to have a voice.
JFK: Correct. Yes ma’am.
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Enjoy part four of this fascinating interview series. What I love about this particular interview is that it has stimulated such interesting discussion, and, for me, this has led to healthy introspection. Tomorrow in the wee hours of the morning I leave for Las Vegas for my 30th wedding anniversary. What is that, broken glass? Belly button lint? Anyway, I will post Part Five tomorrow. Promise.
After the interview, there’s the link for the Sean and Jen radio show. I missed it, but I’m sure Erik and Jamie earned a standing ovation.
Me: Okay. Tell us about your decision to help the dying. Was there some specific experience that led you to that and to create a hospice?
Mother Teresa: Yes. I didn’t want them to die on the streets. I saw it too many times. Being in my center was better than dying in a dirt-covered street, but what others were trying to compare it to was a structured medical center. The two cannot be compared in that way.
Me: What do you think about the hospice system in the United States.
Jamie: She smiles!
Mother Teresa: I’m very proud of the hospice system.
Me: Me too. Now, one more question regarding the criticism levied against you. The Secretary of the Vishnu Hindu said that your first duty was always to The Church and the social service was incidental, and he accused you of favoring Christians, conducting baptisms on the dying. Was that true? If so, what was the spiritual importance, if any, of this controversy?
Mother Teresa: My life was dedicated to The Church first, this is very true. My social duties and services were second to that. The favoritism to Catholic believers to non-Catholics—I don’t believe that was true. If there were people on the streets or people I was caring for that did want baptism, I would do so. And because this was outside of the normal care system, it did look like I was playing favorites or doing too much to one instead of the other. But if you came to me and asked for it, I would do so. If you did not ask for it, I would not do so, so an observer would clearly see I was doing something “extra” for some that I wasn’t doing for others. It was not because of my personal opinion. It was because of the individual need of the person.
Me: Was there some sort of spiritual reason for this criticism?
Mother Teresa: When you choose to come to Earth, you have to agree to embrace the good and the bad. No matter how well you can walk on Earth without leaving a footprint, someone can find a way to bring out the worst in who they think you are or what they think you have done. It was my job to embrace the critique, to not fight against it. It was my job to be seen as a human and not as an angel on Earth. These critiques, these attacks, helped serve me, and my purpose is to be here.
Me: All of this criticism—was there some sort of spiritual lesson for the masses, not just you, personally?
Mother Teresa: Yes. Critique is more marketable.
Me: Why would that help?
Mother Teresa: Then more people would know about the need in these other countries.
Me: So, drawing attention to the poverty and the sick and the hungry and the orphans, etc.
Mother Teresa: Yes.
Me: Okay. How do you feel about the fact that the Archbishop of Calcutta ordered an exorcism on you when your health was declining?
Jamie (giggling): Really?
Me: Yes! Were you possessed, Mother Teresa?
Jamie: There’s a tiny little giggle in her voice.!
Mother Teresa (giggling): No. No.
Erik (to Mother Teresa): Was that based on anything you did? You know, did you start like bad-mouthing Jesus?
Jamie: Erik is just ranting on like this, and you can tell she’s handling him fine, but she’s giggling a little bit that he would, you know, casually speak to her in this way. It’s really interesting.
Mother Teresa: No, I did not say anything against the name of God or Jesus. It was simply—
Jamie: Oh! She had so many attempts to die, but she kept on living, and so it was kind of that they thought maybe something was stopping her from dying—keeping her alive and suffering, to condemn her to this place where she couldn’t reach God and Jesus. So, they ordered the exorcism just in case. In case there was anything holding her back from dying.
Me: Yeah. Guess you gotta cover al your bases.
Jamie (chuckling) Cover everything!
Me: They say you opposed the Hindu right. Why is that? Not a conservative, huh?
Mother Teresa: It was a personal choice. I had to go with what I felt was true within me. I wasn’t going to speak up for or support things I didn’t believe in.
Jamie: Erik is asking her about details, you know and how did she stand on it and feel about it and she’s shutting him down, like “this is not important.” “This is not going to serve anyone.”
Me: Okay. There were times when your faith was really tested. If fact, you even questioned the existence of God. Why did this occur and what renewed your faith?
Mother Teresa: Every man’s faith will be measured on Earth.
Erik: And women!
Mother Teresa: Do not be embarrassed by him. He speaks his truth!
Me (in jest): That’s true. But we often are. He can be a little brat!
Mother Teresa: It was my chance for my faith to be measured. Through that, I realized I was stronger than I thought. It encouraged me to do more global work than in local work. You asked another question beside my faith being challenged?
Me: When renewed your faith?
Mother Teresa: Rediscovering the trust in myself.
Me: Was there one thing that made you wonder whether God existed?
Mother Teresa: There were many, and when I was living, I was simply human, and I had the discipline and strength to stand on top of my faith instead of beneath it. It made me seem out of the ordinary or extraordinary though I never thought I was.
Jamie: Erik is asking her about those many things, and she’s bringing up the internal struggles she had with those daily questions of why. Why this baby have to be neglected? Why can’t we fee them? Why does love not exist here? She had, as Erik’s telling me, she had a lot of strength in her faith that if she believed in it enough and created it, then it would happen, and there were many times when it would fall apart.
Mother Teresa: I often had doubts about whether I was doing the work properly toward Jesus’s liking, and this is what would create small holes for me to doubt my belief. I think if there is any man on Earth—
Erik: Or woman!
Mother Teresa: –that does not have holes in their belief, then they are not willing enough to look at the entire picture. They are narrow-sighted, and if they misstep or step slightly to the side, they might fall off that balancing act they’ve created for themselves and fall quickly into reality. It is important to look at the entire picture and not just what you want it solely to be. In this respect, I was human.
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Me: Okay. What do you think about your critics, specifically Aroup Chatterjie who felt you promoted a negative image of Calcutta, and he also claimed you were not a significant entity in Calcutta in your lifetime. He felt you misused funds and privileges at your disposal. Is that true, and is there a spiritual reason for that criticism to happen?
Mother Teresa: I understand where the criticism was coming from. I ran my operations very simply. I’m remembering that a lot of people would complain that I wouldn’t administer more medication, more antibiotics or pain medication, ointments, things of this nature to the person who was suffering or hurting.
Jamie: All right. She’s going to go back to talking to Erik. It goes smoother that way.
Me: Yes, I can see that.
Erik: A lot of people considered her a bit of an abuser, that she would let people suffer and not take care of them, but she would say, “Who am I to take away someone’s suffering?” She was not in God’s place.
Mother Teresa: If this person was going through suffering in this life, then that was part of what they came to learn, and I was helping house that in a very clean and safe environment. That is what I provided.
“Then why feed or educate or clothe or help anyone?” I think.
Mother Teresa: All modern people, especially western people, felt that this was very much an abusive situation. I could never see clearly why they wanted to attack me in this way. I did God’s work and these people, beyond their death, would never say they were abused. We sat with them; we loved them; we held their hands and gave comfort as they were suffering. This is God’s lesson—that suffering is just as important as love. The misuse of the funds—I disagree with that. I was not attracted to money or awards. There was a time when –
Jamie (to Mother Teresa): So, award money? She won an award and got paid for it. Award money was coming in, and she wasn’t the one who would go to the bank and decide what to spend it on. There was a system in place.
Mother Teresa: So, I felt I had good people in place. A person’s character can always lay judgment to anyone. I’m only one person; I could not have managed every single penny that came in. It was only afterwards that I was aware that some of the funds were going to causes that were not useful such as purchases for the ease of life for the nuns instead of the money going directly to the poor. More was spent on travel that I expected, but this was not something I dictated to happen. For that, I apologize for not being a better businesswoman
Mother Teresa (to Erik): I didn’t come to Earth to become a businesswoman. I came to be a mother to those who had none.
Me: Well put. Let’s talk more about your view on suffering. You felt that suffering would bring people closer to Jesus, Of course, as you mentioned, you were criticized for your failure to administer painkiller. On gentleman said people should hear the screams of patients as maggots were being tweezed from their open wounds without pain relief, but you thought it was the most beautiful thing for a person to participate in the suffering of Christ. Is that what you feel—that it’s akin to participating in the suffering of Christ?
Jamie: I need to stop making facial expressions, though I didn’t know I was doing them. I need to remain neutral.
Me: Yeah, the whole maggot thing turned you off. You didn’t eat breakfast yet, Erik?
Erik: No, I was thinking about frying a few maggots and dipping them in chocolate and having them later.
Me: Yuck. Erik!
Erik: You know those fat ones—
Jamie (to Erik, clapping her hands really fast): Stop! Stop, stop, stop. Don’t go on. Ew. I just had a little gag in my throat.
Me: I don’t do maggots.
We both giggle. Jamie covers her mouth with her scarf.
Jamie: Okay, new visual. New visual. (to Mother Teresa) Yes, please start talking.
Mother Teresa: I do believe there is a holiness in suffering, that people easily pacify their pain to become what they consider in a joyful state that would be more healthful. I very much disagree with this (criticism.)
Jamie: This is the strongest I’ve heard her voice. It’s very cutting. (Jamie imitates by repeating her words in a loud staccato rhythm.)
Mother Teresa: It is important, if there is pain, to feel the pain so that you may be able to learn from it, love it, embrace it, and, yes, it is the suffering that pulls us closer to Jesus and God. It is the love that embraces us to extend beyond Jesus and God.
Two things became clear to me in her answers to these last two questions. People expected way too much of Mother Teresa considering what little she had to work with, and she had a keen understanding of how important duality is in the human experience. Suffering, whether slight or extreme, is necessary to true understand unconditional love.
Jamie: That came with a really cool visual, actually. It’s interesting to hear the words like that, though, right?
Me: Mm hm!
Jamie: For me!
Mother Teresa: But it’s firmly what I believe, and I know many people disagree. In my passing, I still continue to do this work on Earth helping others who walk this path, but I also have made connections with those I have helped after they passed away to finish the work I did when they were was living—helping them in and helping them cleanse their life and become who they desire to be. I will never direct a person to a certain religion. It is not my job. It is for me to walk my own belief in hopes that others could see the joy, love and centerness I have gained from it and maybe they would choose to follow me.
Jamie: So, even in the afterlife, she’s not trying to get people to convert or have a different belief system or live life differently, but support them for who they are and who they want to be.
Jamie: Her principles are very fixed. She knows who she is! She knows what she’s going to do. There’s no gray line in this woman.
Me: Absolutely not, and I think this interview is rally important, Mother Teresa, because you have a chance to show the world what your really feel and give a rebuttal to some of the criticism that’s been levied against you. You’ve been criticized a lot!
Mother Teresa: Yes, but I still feel no need to defend myself against other people’s opinions. It is a waste of time. My true voice and my honesty won’t change what somebody else believes in about me. They’ll have to discover that on their own. That’s why I chose not to fight back when I was living. My time was better spent caring for those who needed me, not for those who did not want me. This is a lesson I would love for everyone to learn.
Jamie (chuckling): She’s just going into telling Erik that there was one thing she wanted anyone who had interacted with her, worked for her, knew her, saw her, read about her or even through stories would gather that the most important action that you could do or provide for yourself is to give love to your family. Family values. Work hard on those, because—
Jamie: Oh, I misunderstood her.
Mother Teresa: If everyone did this work, then the world would change immediately.
Me: Love your family. Is that what you’re saying?
Mother Teresa (with a strong voice): Yes.
Jamie: You would think that pint-size little thing would have such a little—
We both chuckle.
Me: Little spitfire, like I said! You were also criticized for the quality of care you offered to the terminally ill patients in your Home for the Dying, and this was reported in the medical press, including The Lancet and The British Medical Journal. They reported the reuse of hypodermic needles, the poor living conditions like cold baths for all of the patients, the hazardous medical care—they say that often, your Order did not distinguish between curable and incurable patients, so that people could otherwise not survive without the risk of dying from infections and lack of treatment. So, they basically said there was a lot of problems with your medical care and to the expressed needs and wishes of the patients.
Mother Teresa: I never claimed to be a medical hospital. Mine was a place where people came in to die, and I wanted to help them. I recall all of these examinations and appearances at many of my centers, and I told them to gather the money together, and I’ll put together what they were suggesting. But often you can only do with what you have. I could not create money, and I was not going to sell my soul. The good thing with that publicity was that people saw how bad it was, and the people who still believed in my work gave more. Those who did not believe in giving to the poor were good enough to turn and walk away from me, so it did me good in all ways.
What synchronicity that the Huffington Post had an article about Mother Teresa that did not paint a pretty picture. It seems like every time we post a celebrity interview, news on them comes out!
Me: Mother Teresa can you discuss the difficulty you experienced when you left the convent, and what happened that changed you from Sister Teresa to Mother Teresa when you left the convent?
Jamie: I know she’s talking, but I can’t understand her.
Me: Ah oh. Is she speaking another language or is she mumbling?
Jamie: Yeah, I guess it’s more of a mumble. I mean, I should hear it in English no matter what.
Jamie: Erik’s coaching her. He’s so sweet with her. Every now and then he’ll, uh, he’s gotta like reach down to rub her. He rubs the back of her shoulder. She’s in a really, really, really pretty blue. In her pictures, don’t you usually see her in white?
Me: Mm hm.
Jamie: I don’t see her in that traditional white. An amazing blue color.
Mother Teresa: There was no difficulty in leaving. I was blessed by the seer, the holy seer, to leave, and I discovered it was my calling—
Jamie: Okay. We need to find a way to make this smoother.
Jamie: So, I’m asking Erik maybe, if she’s so comfortable with him, she can talk to him and Erik can just give it to me right away.
Jamie: Instead of me trying to listen in on their conversation.
Jamie (to Erik): Is that good?
Erik nods his head yes.
Jamie (giggling): Erik, my gosh! He hasn’t said a single cuss word, which I’m proud of, but…
I guess I’m not going to be privy to whatever mischief he did.
Mother Teresa: It was years in development that I wanted to work outside of the Church, and while I was teaching—I was a teacher inside the Church—I had a classroom and a structure—I would spend more of my time staring out the window and thinking about what I could do there. I found it was my calling to work with the people who weren’t seen. The poverty, the people on the streets that the average person who could be productive in society would choose to ignore—that’s what I was most attracted to, and I presented a complete program, everything—
Erik: I’m impressed by how with it she is. Like she had to present it almost like a business program and how it was going to benefit the Church and what it could do for its image.
Mother Teresa: And I did it this way so I could get the blessing to do the work. I wanted to, yet the Church decided not to give me any money for it, but they let me go. They still took care of me, but they wouldn’t put any of the money that was coming into the system into the work that I was doing. So, I had to rely on what came in through the local people, volunteers, helpers, anything I could, and this is what helped start a complete movement for me.
Jamie: The Something of Charity. What do you call, um Mission of Charity? It’s something that begins with an M. She’s just sharing everything with him! I don’t know where you want to go with this. She’s just sharing that. Her life was never in danger.
Me: So, the local people really created this whole icon, “Mother Teresa”, the name and such?
Mother Teresa: I was just blessed enough to have the face for it, and I loved being the head of it, because I see how much help if could provide. Not only could I do –
Jamie: It looks like you’re out on the streets on in a park, and she would just teach. There were no buildings. It wasn’t regulated. It was just if you couldn’t afford school, you could just show up. Then, I stared to find ways to do that with medical attention and nutrition, clothing and education.
Mother Teresa: My deepest calling and spiritual mission on Earth—
Jamie: That’s usually our question!
Mother Teresa: –was not just to take care of the immediate needs. If somebody was hungry, I could provide food for them and give them satisfaction for that moment, or if they were cold, I could provide clothing for them, and that would provide comfort for them for that moment. The worst kind of poverty that I came across was the children and the people, the adults, that were neglected from love, that were pushed away. You cannot just hand someone love to be satisfied in that moment. It is the entire part of the being that needs to be addressed and cared for. And this kind of charity cannot give this satisfaction within minutes. This is what I was most attracted to—wanting people to know they are whole and beautiful even though someone that should have been a support to them— like a parent or a protector ignored them or turned them away or abused them. I wanted those people, those that no one looked at—I want them to know that they are beautiful and that they are whole and that they are loved, and they can create the love inside of themselves. That’s what Jesus provided for me.
Me: How beautiful that is.
Mother Teresa: Thank you.
Me: Now, you said that the poverty of the West was more difficult to remove. Why is that?
Mother Teresa: The people in the—
Erik (to Mother Teresa): You sure you wanna say that?
Mother Teresa: I’m speaking the truth. It’s not my opinion; I feel like I’m speaking the truth. The people on the West, their soul is designed to be more mean.
Not sure if I’m happy with the words that are coming out of this woman’s mouth, and I’m beginning to think she has carried her human ego with her after she crossed over.
Me: Is that an opinion, or is that a fact? That sounds like your opinion.
Mother Teresa: No, it’s a fact based on history.
Jamie (laughing hard at what she’s just heard): Oh my god! Okay. (She clears her throat.) She’s talking about when people left the governments and left the structure and when they came to the new lands, there was a lot of internal war.
Mother Teresa: There was freedom instead of structure, whether it was structure or religion, and this new discovery of Man removed them from unity and made them stand on their own and become fighters. And so the program for the western person is that they’re more of an individual than a collective, so they’re more likely to take care of themselves than to reach out and take care of their families or the people around them. I say the world “mean,” but I don’t mean it as “ferocious”. I mean it as egotistic.
Me: Well, sometimes when you’re unified as a group, you feel like somebody else is going to take care of these people, and when you’re an individual, you feel that it’s your responsibility to take care of them. I think the West has proven to be the most charitable people in the world. The United States has given more in charity and has been more charitable that any other country in the world. How do you explain that?
Mother Teresa: That you cannot deny, but that is mostly through innovative people who succeed in a company or in the entertainment industry where individuals have gone upstream and created their own success, setting them far apart from the culture they were raised in. I’m speaking in general, not of the unique few.
Me: Well, what about the middle class, for example? When the tsunami happened in Thailand and all these other disasters, we’re the first ones to pour out money and love. What about Doctors Without Borders?
Mother Teresa: What do you need me to say to make you feel okay. I don’t want you to have to defend your country. I’m just saying this is clearly what your growth was based on.
Me: It just seems there are too many contradiction to what you say.
Mother Teresa: Only if you’re taking the stance of defense. I’m taking the stance of observation.
Me: Well, I’m taking the stance of observation, myself! I’m not trying to defend everything. I think there are things wrong with the West. There are negatives.
What she says is “fact” is clearly her “opinion.” Hmm. I don’t know about this lady. If we were alone in a room together we’d probably fight like a couple of stray cats.
Jamie: Sorry, Erik is asking her to clarify something.
Mother Teresa: The growth that the American people going forward from here—they’re going to rely more on love as the basis of who they are in their personal life and their career.
Me: You know what I think? I think the basis of some of the charity of the West might be to stoke the ego rather than out of love. I think that’s what you’re trying to say.
I’m so trying to give myself a reason to respect her the way I did before this interview began.
Mother Teresa nods her head.
Mother Teresa: You also have a better marketing system.
Me: That’s true.
Jamie: And she smiles for the second time!
Me: Wow! Now, why did you say that abortion was the single greatest destroyer of peace in the world, and do you believe that still?
Mother Teresa: Yes.
Mother Teresa: Because you are removing God’s light from Earth.
Me: How does that destroy peace?
Mother Teresa: It is a very angry and offensive act to go against God’s light.
Me: What if it’s a contract to help teach or for that soul to learn something spiritual?
Mother Teresa: With my understanding, through my eyes, –
Erik (turning his head toward Jamie): In other words, her viewpoint or opinion.
Jamie and I chuckle knowingly. Finally Mother Teresa admits that not all of her opinions are facts.
Mother Teresa: In my eyes, no life force wants to give control to someone else, to have someone else choose when their light goes out. It should be their choice.
On October 6, 2009, my 20-year-old son Erik, took his own life. Since that sad and tragic day, an overwhelming sense of grief and despair propelled me into a search for answers. Answers that would provide me and others with comfort and hope. Some of those answers came from the many books I bought, but many came from an unexpected source…Erik, himself. read the story »
Then, I suggest you start with the very first post. In doing so you can follow my journey just as I did, through the inexplicable, inconceivable, and yet utterly undeniable surprises that I have encountered since my son''s death.