Channeling Erik

August4th

19 Comments

The Death Penalty

Posted in: Channeling, Jamie Butler, Psychic medium, Sexual abuse, Spirits working with Energy

I’ve really been enjoying my time here in Los Angeles. We spent the day in Venice on the Ocean Front Walk doing some major people watching. There are so many free spirits here who express themselves unabashedly. Nice. We could learn a lot from them. Or maybe they’re just totally stoned. Whatever.

This is the last part of my channeling session with Jamie on March 25th. Please excuse the lack of spell check and editing. I have to get up off my lazy ass and help Teri and Don make homemade pizza!

I might not be able to post an entry tomorrow, since it’s a travel day, but I’ll try.

Channeling Transcript

Me: What’s the best way to access our innermost wisdom? I guess that’s just meditation, right?

Erik: Yes, meditate, meditate.

Me: Is that it?

Erik: Well, so many things can help like getting rid of energy blocks, having faith in whatever is channeled to you or your own intuition, good nutrition, shit so much is involved.

Me: Okay. So, what about the death penalty and it’s consequences? What do you think about it, Erik?

Erik (sighing): You know, it’s so odd. I think sometimes—and it’s on a rare occasion— 

Jamie: He’s standing up; his hands are in his pocket; his thumbs are sticking out. He’s just kind of pacing. He’s really thinking about this one!

Me: Yeah, it’s a tough one. I don’t think anyone should be put to death, but I guess it could be a pre-designed exit point for some. I don’t know.

Erik: Right. It definitely can be a pre-designed exit point that somebody else is to take their life. And so many people put themselves in harm’s way so that happens. It’s the same way, but it’s just done in a little more public way.

Me: Yeah.

Erik: Um, but there are very few cases—there are some—that actually fit the whole definition and lesson and learning and cleansing of having their life taken from them in this way.  Over all, no.

(Pause)

Jamie (laughing): Erik!

Erik: Now I do like the idea of an eye for an eye, but not so much for death.

Jamie and I laugh.

Jamie: Erik! He’s giving me an example.

Erik: I feel if some woman was raped, I think we need to bring in some bit ol’ guy to rape the guy who was the rapist.

Me: I can just hear it. “You gon be my bitch!”

Erik (laughing): Can you fucking imagine that? How—

Me: Well, that’s not very compassionate, Erik!

Erik: No, that’s not very compassionate. Yeah, maybe the rapist was abused as a kid or something! You never know! Or maybe it was a spiritual contract between the rapist in the woman to, you know, experience that for some reason.

Erik (belly laughing): I know, Mom, take a joke! Take a joke!

Me: Ha. Ha.

All three of us laugh.

Erik: No, I totally agree with you, but, um, going back to the death penalty, there are those small cases, but honestly, I think the better way to handle it all—death is such a release, keeping them alive is more of a punishment.

Me: Oh, yeah.

Erik: And for the jail structures, great. Someone came up with, you know, a thousand years ago, how to lock someone away as a punishment, but what you really need to be teaching them is how to make a community. You know, we should lock them together as a community—

Me: So they can teach each other?

Erik: Correct. The more dangerous ones can be in a more solitude environment, but the others, we have to reform them; we have to teach them even the simplest things. How to respect their linens and make their beds, how to take pride in the small things they’ve had and what they’ve earned.

Me: Yeah.

Erik: And if they earn a larger freedom, then they move into a different part of the community so that they interfere or evoke jealousy amongst the others.

Me: It just seems like an awful lot of responsibility to give the collective to actually put somebody down, to kill somebody just so they can have their exit point. Oof, you know? That would be a sacrifice on the side of the executioner or the system overall.

Erik: And there’s a lot of narcissistic people who want their names in the paper, who want people watching them when they pass away! It’s just the saddest thing, really. It’s messed up.

Me: Yeah. I agree. So, here’s one more question before we end off. Can the deceased manipulate things on the earth like the weather?

(Pause)

Erik: Well, the weather’s pretty big, but yes, spirits can things on earth like inanimate objects. They can also manipulate people, you know, like, “Don’t turn down that way; it’s not good.”

Me: Oh, yeah, they can nudge us.

Erik: Yes, and your guides are also protecting you from the negative ones who might be whispering bad advice in your head.

Me: That reminds me of the cartoons where there’s a devil on one shoulder and an angel on the other.

Erik: Yeah, but it’s not like they’re making you act like a puppet and doing negative things. There’s a filter. You might wanna put that out there, cuz a lot of people, they’ll just go a little nutty thinking somebody negative is whispering bad things to them. That’s not the case, you know. Love is in place. We’re honoring and respecting you; we’re keeping that away from you.

Me: Okay.

Erik: That’s one of the purposes for why we’re here. Now, thinking about the whole weather, I guess if enough of us got together, then yes. You know, if it’s on a smaller scale like making a wind blow through a room or making the room very cold or very hot, now that’s doable in a contained area, but to change the weather in the whole city, that’s a little bigger and broader, and it depends on other systems happening around country and so on. But if a mass of people got together and put an affirmation together or a prayer together, then yes, we can pull together and change the energetic force of the earth.

Me: So it’s not just deceased; it’s any spirit in or out of the body?

Erik: Yeah.

Me: Okay, Sweetie. I guess we’re out of time. So, Baby, I love you so, so much. Jamie, thank you so much for everything. I guess next time we’ll start channeling the celebrities! Erik can hunt down those guys for us.

Jamie: Great! Wow, it went by so fast today!

Me: I know, it did! We covered a lot, too, didn’t we?

Erik: I love you, Mom.

Me: Aw, I love you too, Baby.

Erik: Bye.

Me: Bye.

 

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  • Steve

    Interesting. I’ve always thought that the death penalty was the easy way out for some of these damaged souls. I’ve also thought (liberal that I am) that rehabilitation in jail was better than the current system we have where people go right back out to the streets and commit crimes again. But nobody would want to pay for nice, cushy jails via taxes. It’s a conundrum!

  • Shawna

    Hello All~
    You know I used to think that way too, about an eye for an eye, but not anymore, now I believe…
    An eye for an eye makes the whole world go blind!

    I’m reading this book by Gary Zukav-love him- called Soul to Soul Communications from the heart and he talks about this. Like with 9/11 how after that we wanted revenge, we wanted to kick some ass. But really we were doing the same thing to them that they did to us. In this book on page 85 he says, “We cannot see those who wronged us as brothers or sisters, fathers or mothers, grandparents or grandchildren. We see them as cruel and inhuman and we see ourselves as brave and just. We seek to escape our pain, ever so briefly, by inflicting pain.”

    So really we should forgive and show love for those who have wronged us. I know it’s hard, but its a spiritual practice. A practice of unconditional love and forgiveness.

    Also, in his book on page 157 someone asks him What is Evil? He says, “Evil is an absence. It is not a presence. Evil is the absence of Love- uncontaminated conscious Light.”

    “If you can see an angry, or decietful, or violent person for what he or she is- a fellow student in the Earth school who is in extreme pain- you can interact with that person appropriately. You do not need to trust her with your savings. You also do not need to feel superior or righteous.”

    “When you have an emotional reaction to what you see, you are judging. That is your signal that you have an issue inside of yourself- with yourself- not with the other person. If you react self-righteously to evil, look inside yourself for the very thing that so agitates you, and you will find it. If it were not there, you would simply discern, act appropriately and move on. When you have an emotional reaction to evil-the absence of Love- that absence is in you. Understanding this is very important because it enables you to personally contribute to the reduction of evil. You do that by changing yourself into the loving person that you would like others to be. Until you do, you will be a part of the evil that so repulses you.”

    “The change from an absence of Love in a human life to the presence of Love in a human life is the creation of authentic power- the alignment of the personality with the soul. Your emotional reactions to the evil you encounter and your judgments of it show you what you need to change in yourself. Changing those parts of your personality that judge, react in fear, and cannot love into acceptance, fearlessness, and love is the journey you were born to make.”

    Then on page 57 he says, “When you see your life as a learning opportunity in which you are provided with continually updated class material that is uniquely suited to your needs, you will see you life as a gift that is worthy of your value and close attention. You will also begin to see the Universe as a wise and compassionate partner in your educational process, and you will be grateful for it.”

    “You will make this shift in perspective sooner or late. You were born to make it. If you do not make it in this lifetime, you will make it in another. The first step toward this shift is to ask yourself after each experience, “What can I learn from this?” rather than “What is right with this?” and “What is wrong with this?”

    Okay one more, on page 48, “The life that is calling you has NO FEAR in it. Whether you create that life or not is for you to decide. You do not have to choose harmony, cooperation, sharing, and reverence for Life in your daily struggles, but they are required if you want your new life. You do not have to listen to the wisdom and compassion that are now coming into your consciousness, but you wno’t be able to create your new life if you don’t.”

    “Which will you choose- you new life or your fears?”

    Well, just thought I would share that because it has really made me think and I choose Love. :)

    Michael Jackson-Man in the mirror lyrics
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5vz6iwV38U

    Love & Light,
    Shawna

    P.S. Glad ya’ll had a great time in LA. I love you all! xoxoxo

    • http://drmedhus.com Elisa

      Yes, I was worried when Erik talked about that eye for an eye thing until he confessed he was kidding!

  • Stanley

    Hello,

    Wow Elisa, you got on one of many pationate topics here. The death penalty has NEVER made sense to me. Like we have all these laws saying it’s wrong to kill, but then you have the state who says “only we can kill” and not just is it ok for the state to kill, but they have seats set up for people to watch. Why is it ok for a state or whatever to kill someone, with a adiance but we tell everyone else that it’s not ok? That I just can’t understand. Lead by example. I know I could never be in charge of throwing the switch so to speak. I would be so torn up inside to take the life of another, no matter what he/she might have done. It’s just not right. There has to be a better way. Like maybe instead of death, do like a escape from New York kind of thing. Those instead of put to death are sent to a walled in city to live out the rest of their lives with no hope of returning. And I also agree that being put to death is a easy way out. Those who kill should have to live the rest of their lives knowing what they have done. I think having to live with that guilt would be a more fit punishment. Just how I feel about it. So many things in this world I just do not understand.

    -Stanley

    • http://drmedhus.com Elisa

      I guess it worked for Australia, huh, Stanley?

  • jane

    Oh my goodness! Let’s all try to make it rain for the people living in drought! I will meditate for this Sunday at 9pm and let’s all change the weather together and bring rain! Maybe that can even help the Somali people.

    • http://drmedhus.com Elisa

      Let’s do it! We need rain in Texas too! (No hurricanes though, please!)

  • Candis

    Very timely topic for me. I just got called in to be a possible juror on a capital murder trial. No matter what happens, I could never reccomend the death penalty. I just don’t feel that at this point in my life I am in any position to make that kind of decision…(NOT looking forward to this.) I wonder about people who do feel qualified to do so. Especially prosecutors and judges – oh to be that sure of myself!! And get paid for it too. And have everyone kissing my tushy to boot. Great life if you can get it, I guess…
    Shawna – I am definitely going to be reading that guy, sounds like he is right up my alley. Thanks!

  • Laura Martinez

    Yes…I think killing for killing is keeping the same thing going. Being on the same level. I agree keeping them alive instead of putting them out of their misery is more of a life learning experience and punishment for the original killer.

  • Shawna

    Yeah, I knew he was playing too. :)

    I’m with Erik…sometimes things are beyond our understanding and it could have to do with a spiritual contract.

  • Patrick

    I have opinions regarding execution such that I will say nothing except the foregoing.

  • Dinabedina

    Leslie Flint, channeled “THE HANGMAN” ( the man executioner has a book out called that from his experience as an executioner. He ended up committing suicide.

    Once crossed over, this hangman said that executing anyone was not in our best interest
    because it not only take away opportunity for everyone to learn, it also creates revengeful energy from the prosecuted, which let’s the person want to seek revenge by influencing those still in the world who can be suceptible to be “taken over” … ( like passed out drunks, drug addicts, mentally , emotionaly challenged)
    influenced to be made to do things negatively for the entertainment of the condemned to hang.
    ( SOMETHIng like that :)

    Highly recommend the LESLIE FLINT
    ( Voices in the dark .com
    has the link to Leslie Flint also has it I think )

    sharing…

  • Patrick

    @ Candis – while the conviction will require a unanimous verdict, not necessarily in the penalty phase. You could agree as to guilt and then be overridden on the sentence. I’d announce early on my opposition. You’ll be at the lunch counter PDQ.

  • Jane

    Ok Elisa you got it. But i would not wish a hurricane on anyone!!

    Relevant to this discussion is John Grisham’s (fictional) book The Confession. He is on the board of directors of the Innocence Project. I think those who have commented here would find it very interesting. It does take place in Texas.

  • YAHAIRA

    Although the bible says “Live by the sword, die by the sword” I ‘dont like it and even when was a church girl. Thank you for this post. I’m happy to be part of this huge and beautifull thing that this is. Im proud of you Elisa, what a plesure to know you and get to read this wonderfull things :)
    XOXOXOOX!!!

  • Denise

    I have this conflict that I couldn’t call for a death penalty but I have no problem with abortion if it is needed. I think it has to do with the idea that with an abortion the potential soul knows that is what is going to occur and so would not attach to the fetus.

  • Patrick

    @ Denise – you’ve identified the precise source of all the controversy; where should “need” end and “want” begin? The vast majority of terminated pregnancies have been the latter.

    I too, have been conflicted by the vehemence displayed to both defend abortion on the spot and bitterly oppose executions. (I generally oppose both, however the choice SHOULD be available, for example an incestuous sexual assault. That said, the US Supreme Court’s intrusion into a state issue will forever irk me)

    It seems to me that in modern societies we have behaved collectively in a cavalier way with the most valuable things we have; we execute adults, sometimes the innocent, the unborn and we ignore much evidence that we should not.

    Free will in action. I suspect our return home to Heaven will be eye opening for us regarding executions.

  • Shawna

    @Candis~ You’re welcome. I think you’ll like him.
    He’s been on Oprah 30 times, and that’s how a friend of mine find out about him and she turned me on to him.

  • Tracy Lamont

    Of course, the death penalty has not been in use in Britain since the 60′s, but I know there’s going to be a debate in Parliament about whether or not to re-instate it in severe cases.

    Well that got us all talking about it over here and I discovered that I’m totally against the idea of clinically taking the life of of another human being.

    Over the years, there have been some pretty horrendous murders committed in the UK and, as an aside, I have been known to mutter to myself, ‘they should hang him’. However, when faced with the possibility that this could actually happen, I realized that I didn’t have those beliefs at all. They were just a knee-jerk reaction to the crime commited.

    Also, there have been several cases of wrongful conviction over here, such was the haste on the part of the police to ‘get someone’. Thousands have been paid out to these people who have been locked away for a large part of their life. They still, however, have a life.

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