I can see what he is saying. Andy’s leaving has had a profound impact on everyone who knew him. It has changed the course of more than just my life. I dont think his leaving was his destiny, and I sense him struggling with forgiving himself now. Andy never saw just how amazing and special he was here. He radiated joy and smiles to everyone in his path, all the while he was beating himself up over his imagined shortfalls. I think he would have made an amazing parent..he was certainly an caring, warm spirit here.
On the flip side tho, his passing has brought me to this..to looking beyond the day to day of being human..and made me look at my soul and beyond..so that is a positive, good thing. It is his reaching out in love that has brought me to this point, so perhaps his passing had good effects too. I miss him here terribly, but having him here in spirit form lessens the pain of no hugs, and no shared laughter.
And when I fall back into pain and grief, he and Erik find a way to pull me back, make me smile again. Love to them, and all of you here. And, Elisa..I thank God for your light. Take good care of you..we are here for you too..anytime..for any reason. hugs and light xoxo

I am having real difficulties understanding this.
Perhaps each case is unique, then Erik can’t really speak about other suicides, right?
What I am finding challenging is the suicide that involves another person – this may be MOST of the suicides in the entire world, I don’t know, you can ask, I guess.
The suicides that involving jumping in front of a car that someone is driving, the suicide that involves blowing oneself up with another person.
This would mean that the other persons – both victims of the suicide in my opinion – have chosen that path and that death, that “way out.” Then we must see ALL suicides as a form of chosen destiny, right?
I just don’t get it, but I am trying. Must think about it more…
At least your blog makes my head hurt (in a good way!)
Y.

Wow that was the example I used the difference between Erik and some one who Jumped the gun so to speak

Ok Erik I just re-read the transcript and I have to take back what i said. It’s not ignorant to struggle with the idea of suicide as a chosen way out but you were saying it’s ignorant to decree that souls “can choose all other types of death but not this one.” I think you were not being impatient but rather pointing out factually that they “know not of what they speak.”
Sorry dude

So glad you’re doing better, Robert. Elisa, I hope you’re totally over the flu?

If I remember right, one thing we have never discussed on this site is assisted suicide for the chronically, terminally ill, such as people with advanced, inoperable cancer. My mother had ovarian cancer that was stage 4, inoperable when it was diagnosed. She just wanted to PASS. She was diagnosed June 4th and died August 4th. She kept insisting she wanted to be kept pain free and LEAVE. The hospital’s and then nursing home’s doctors insisted she couldn’t have enough pain meds to keep her comfortable because it would make her halucinate and cause her to have labored breathing. Having seen what she went through, I must say, there HAS to be a better way. I’m sure if she’d had access to some pills that would have let her go to sleep and not wake up on this side, she would have taken that option. As it is, she had no options. She would tell me she was in pain and had pressed the buzzer for help and more than an hour had passed and no one had come. I understand that facilities are understaffed, but you’d think we were in a third world country. I’d go to the desk and ask someone to come help, and I’d wait half an hour for someone to finally come help my mother. Having had many heart and other surgeries, I can tell you, when you’re in bad pain, every minute seems like an hour. And my mother was in two of the best facilities there are.

I can certainly understand why some people who know they have no chance of recovery and only face hour upon excrutiating hour of physical and emotional pain would opt, knowing that fact, to take their own lives.

And with the continual emotional pain of mental illness, I understand why someone would opt to leave. We have to remember, a mental illness is an illness just as surely as a physical illness is an illness.

Erik has an absolutely delightful personality, and he is going to be excellent as a guide. He ALREADY is an excellent guide, but I especially appreciate his sense of humor. He and Andy appearing to me the way they did…fabulous. It still makes me smile when I think of it. I appreciate them cooking that up and following through. I have a lot of guides. They often honor me by letting me see them. Some of them inject humor into our interactions, and it’s a tremendous help, given the fact that spirituality and the Shift can be such heavy topics and life on earth is so traumatic. Many people have NO joy in their daily lives. I hope Erik never changes his playfulness. It’s a very valuable quality.

Christine, it should be your own soul that chose/signed up for what’s in your soul contract. (This is what Sylvia Browne states, my spirit guide agrees with, and something that I am in agreement with as it makes the most sense to me. And my opinion as to why people sometimes choose things that go against what’s in their soul contract is that what’s in one’s soul contract is created using a very good but less than 100% accurate prediction of one’s future rather than the result of free will. [As we live in a deterministic universe the future can be predicted with a high level of accuracy if one has a computer that is capable of measuring and modelling every particle with a high level of accuracy {which is also likely to be necessary requirement for spiritual healing to work}. What we perceive as free will is merely our own ability to think about making a choice other than the choice that we can easily be predicted to make if the right technology is used.])

I personally hold the view that the spirit who reincarnated into my body was just some person who lived before me with a life that had similarities to my own life – thus making my body a good candidate for them to be able to evolve spiritually. As such the spirit who reincarnated into me (and while some percentage of who I am is certainly the result of the life that my soul chose to have [different from what the life my body would experience if I didn't have a soul reincarnate into me], I mostly describe my body as “me” rather than my soul as “me” as I feel that my soul is mostly just here in my body to experience [and influence in some ways that are difficult to discern because we are now essentially one] and spiritually grow from my life) and became my soul made choices before reincarnating [that is, the soul contract stuff] that my body has little knowledge about (and which causes me to become frustrated at times as I don’t feel as though I have the freedom to make the choices that I want to make – instead, I should be making the choices that he [my soul] made based on what he wanted to get out of my life…).

(Hopefully the above paragraph makes sense. My spirit guide was pestering me about what I perhaps should not say so I changed my train of thought a couple times while writing that. My main view [what I want to say but perhaps I don't need to say] is that spirits/souls exist as the result of alien technology [as the solution they've created {the spiritual world} is easier and better than trying to cram everybody who wants to live forever or for a long long time onto one or more planets that have limited space - while physical space in the spirt world is unlimited*], and those who were/are in charge have their reasons for setting things up the way they are currently set up: with the spirits of people who lived in the physical Universe using the current bodies of physical beings for their own intents and purposes that have to do with spiritual evolution. I personally would much prefer to live in a physical world where spiritual intervention is much more common and influential than it is here [humans have existed in what is about the same as our current intelligent form for a couple hundred thousand years and we still have yet to grow up enough to not cause harm to others {including animals} - it really saddens me how little progress we have made over other animals that exist on this planet [we are more intelligent than animals, but I don't see us as behaving all that much more wisely than the animals that do exhibit a good deal of wisdom in their behavior], and yet aliens seem content at allowing us to be as destructive as we are towards ourselves, animals, and the planet…], but while writing this a thought I came up with is that perhaps we must experience many of the painful and unpleasant thing that we experience in part [my guide says that this is a good part of the reason for life on Earth being as it is, but not the main part] because the human brain has not evolved [or been genetically manipulated] to a point that is similar to a highly evolved spiritual being – as such it typically takes the time and experience of many incarnations on Earth for us to gain such a high level of knowledge and experience to be able to express the amount of compassion, understanding, and caring towards others that is important for creating a society where large groups of people can live together happily and peacefully [which is how things are for a large portion of the inhabitants of the spirit world.])

(*I believe I heard from one spiritual source from some time ago that there were 57 billion spirits living in the spirit world for Earth, and my spirit guide says there are currently 63 billion beings there.)

Thomas I really like reading your posts.
Eupeptic I really like yours too except what the hell did you just say up there? LOL! As usual it sounds very smart but it just flew a bit over my heed.
(“Heed! Pants! Now!”)