Ok I need some clarification on this one. In a previous post

http://www.channelingerik.com/erik-on-alzheimers-evil-sprits-and-other-odds-and-ends/

This question was asked:
Me: Are their any evil spirits, Erik?
Erik: Oh, no! Any kind of evil takes place when a soul is in a human body on the earthly plane. Some humans act evil, because it’s part of an in-between lives agreement with someone in their soul group, or they’ve just been really fucked up during their lives on the earth. But when they die, they have a clearer perspective of why they did evil things. They get therapy. Now, some spirits are more evolved than others.
Me: Yeah.
Erik: And of course we keep our personalities, so some souls are mischievous, impulsive, but evil? No. There’s no such thing as the devil or Hell either.

In this post the same question is asked
Me: Okay, but are there really evil spirits? I mean—

Erik: Sure. Just as there are evil people, there are evil spirits. After all, there’s still free will. A switch doesn’t get hit that’ll make you all knowing and great ad helpful just because you leave the body.

Me: Ah! Okay. Too bad.

Erik: You still have the free will to use that power to pull people away from Light.

Me: Um hm.

Erik: There are entities who thrive on that. They thrive on separation, on fear, on negative energy.

In the earlier post Kim was the channeler and in this post Jamie is, I wonder if that is the reason for the discrepancy?

@ Angelbird & Elisa, et. al.; These topics always bring up controversy because they are so emotionally charged within religious communities and how they play our in different socio-cultures around the world. It’s not easy to talk about unless you take several steps back and try to define words and descriptors. For example. Entity descriptors and labels are not something that you can just make a flow chart and assign values to. Or you can if that’s where you’re coming from.. Personally I believe in massive multi-dimensional, multiple universises with an unlimited number of possible beings; of which they have wide varieties of consciousness, awareness, intelligence, motive, evolution and what not. So compared with humans, you could have a semi-intelligent animalistic spirit that is multi-dimensional. Not good, not bad, just primal or primitive. Was early humiods on earth similar? I don’t know. Maybe. Who gets to say? I guess that depends on if you thing anything other than a human gets to have a soul. Does it matter? What matters is if the fear of the unknown or incomplete information impacts how you live your life or not and the value judgments you make. Personally I think Erik intentionally chose the words he did to get people to assess there beliefs and to encourage the assessment of the details of beliefs. Ok. Back to the terminology. Non demonic. I personally feel this means primitive, primal, non human. But to humans this still frequently frightens us. Ok. Now Demonic. This could be non human as mentioned in the last sentence, but it could be humanoid. But this would be a blanket label of something with deliberate ill intent for selfish reasons. Where I think this label is a very poor choice for two reasons. One, it is so non-specific. Two, while it shows up in most world religions, it doesn’t mean the same thing and takes away our personal power and replaces it with fear. For example rather than run for the hills and be scared. Think about what such things might mean to different types of people and look for commonalities. ie. native shamanism, polytheistic societies, monotheistic, new age, metaphysical, ect ect. atheist. Now a lot of the commonalities are based on labeling spiritual activity. Selfish fear, power plays, fear of loosing power, fear of ego based emotion, fear of that which we don’t like about ourselves and others. This applies in the Spirit realm as well no matter what ‘species’ or ‘orgion’ of the entity. Free will, emotional and spiritual development is all over the place in a vast array of development. And it fluctuates all over the place. So just like a child. Depending on the choices it and those around it make, it could grow up to harm itself and others, or it could grow up to evolve and help others and discover experiences based in love. Each being has the opportunity to experience fear or love. But what you decide to do, will define you. And like attracts like. This applies for groups and societies as well. And how we all react to such experiences will also help define us.

And for the record, yes, Erik is using this as a play on words. It was intentional.

Also I think the term possession is a poor one. Because it immediately induces fear without being understood. Which many people in western societies lump together with all spiritual communication of which there is a wide range of phenomena. It might be better to contemplate what the intention of the Spirit and the human is in relation to each other.

For example, the following was in an academic publication of an acquaintance of mine who is a Paranthropoligist.

http://paranthropology.weebly.com/index.html
The term “incorporation” is used by the spiritistic
groups in Brazil to describe situations in which
practitioners allow themselves to be “taken over”
by a “spirit entity,” exemplified by mediums who
voluntarily allow the incorporation of (spirit)
On the other hand, the term “possession” is used
to define the experience of an involuntary
takeover, one that is usually distressful,
unwelcome, and possibly long-lasting (Negro,
Palladino-Negro, & Louza, 2002, p. 65). The
latter type typically requires the intervention of a
religious specialist who can “exorcise” or
“depossess” the offending agency.
However, there have been difficulties in
clarifying the relationship of “possession” to
concepts like “trance,” “altered states,” and
“dissociation.” In their study of the Batuque, an
African-Brazilian spiritistic tradition, Leacock and
Leacock (1972) conceive of “possession” as “the
presence in the human body of a supernatural
being” and trance as “an altered psychological
state” (p. 217). Although they also employ the
expression “trance-possession,” it would be a
mistake to assume that the terms are
synonymous. Distinctions must be made in
regard to “possession” as belief and “possession”
as experience. That is, “possession” can refer to
belief in the potential for voluntary or
spontaneous interaction with or incorporation of
a benevolent and malevolent spirit. The culturally
or individually construed belief, in turn, can have
consequences for individual behavior as well as
for social interaction.

So all that means, that one must examine precieved orgion of the Spirit; examine it’s intent; examine these as it relates to your belief system and how if at all this will impact your life and how you view the world around you.

Now you may say, Oh, all this is bull. And it’s all scary and confusing and I should have any part of it. Well that’s ok. No ones asking you to. What I am trying to say is that; Do not let this channeling transcript paint things as black and white. Right or wrong. Because it’s not shades of gray, it’s not a rainbow, it’s the entire possible range of energies we know of and then some. What is important and has always been the most important thing is how you emotionally react to these topics and what you do about it. Whatever you decide is where you are at.

So the next time you hear something scary about a supposed “evil” spirit think about the cultural background and belief of those involved. Think about the possible origin the said spirit. And think about the intent of all involved. Do their labels match your labels? How much information do you have?

as far as the descreptancies between the 2 scripts ,,, it is apparent that when Erik answered the question is there Evil Spirits. He was simply trying to tell us there is no Devil Stan etc NO EVIL persona that has a legion of followers that are fighting against everything like the religions warn us about. and (personally I don’t see why there couldnt be that going on in the “soul population” , especially if there are different entities that are out there in the great wilderness) but i dont think Erik would be seeing or feeling any of that situation where his soul is at. we have to take into consideration that there are different dimensions and different levels of enlightenment. lower vibrations and as Erik told us before that the further away from source you get the denser the vibration is so it would go to reason that out in deep wilderness the further you get away from source the less connected to source you will be and we know that basic science says for every action there is a re-action so it has to be true. But remember too that Erik was new to the spirit realm when the first question was asked and now he has been able to tap into more information from source and he would of learned more things from that. but anyway we all have to remeber that while reading the transcript we are reading the heaven and the dimensions all from Eriks’ individual point of veiw so just b/c Erik is not telling us everything oin the world that happens or exist’ it doesnt mean that he is lying or being interpreted wrongly it just means that he is onl;y able to see reality from his point of veiw the same as you and me and every other soul.

Hi! I’m not new to reading on this website, but have never posted until now.

While curious about the differences in interpretation of channelled information from the same source through different mediums (and that was discussed above), I’m interested in learning opinions of gained knowledge and perception of events from the side of being disincarnate.

The thought that prompted the question came from the comment of Erik being ‘new’to the spirit world and is learning all these things now. The impression given is that it’s all new to him. If we’ve all lead multiple lives, past lives, and cycle through this journey and this learning process many times, would previously obtained knowledge be available to us again after crossing over?

In other words, wouldn’t knowledge obtained previously would be accessible again to the spirit after each disincarnation – instead of the learning process appearing to start over again? Just a random thought. Thanks for listening and considering it!

Great discussion! I think everyone will get out of this what they need to. I wonder if we need a little clarification on human versus non human entities when we speak of “demons.” I guess the question might be, “are there non-human entities that are negative, evil, constituted by Fear, etc.”? I personally think that we can create all kinds of spiritual things that are alive, intelligent, and decidedly negative – but they are not human. Emotions can take form and shape in the astral realm, and just as Love can take form and shape, so can fear…

Hi Jane Stewart Adams! I really liked your post, esp the part about spirits eventually returning to Source.
However I must say, watching the corrupt and powerful, they only seem to get more and more and certainly not any kind of instant karma. For example all of the Wall St. execs in the documentary Inside Job – not a single one has gone to jail, nor are they likely to. In our world today it really seems like if you cause harm on a massive scale you get away scott-free. (Unless you target other wealthy people as in the case of Madoff.)
It would be great if instant karma were able to take down the powerful and corrupt too.