Channeling Erik

December14th

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Atheists and the Very Religious

Posted in: After Death Communication, Afterlife, atheist, belief, Between Lives, Channeling, Christianity and sprituality, Communication from the dead, Contact with the dead, Crossing over, Death, Energy, Grief, Heaven, Human Experience, Immortality, Jamie Butler, Life, Life After Death, Messages from the dead, Psychic medium, Religion, Spiritual Healing, Suicide

God I hope I don’t get into trouble with this! (grin)

Channeling Transcript

Me: Okay, now a have a couple of questions here, uh, this is one I already know the answer to, but I guess I’d like it to be phrased for the book. Is there a hell, and what happens to very religious people when they pass?

Erik (teasingly): “Very” religious people, Mom?

Me (laughing): Yes.

Jamie: He’s laughing and says he wants to deal with the “very religious” people first.

Erik: I think they have more shock and awe than the atheists!

Me: Oh, really?

Erik; Well, think about it, Mom. Atheists, they don’t have any rules, they just pretend they don’t believe.

Me: Ah! I see.

Erik: It’s just an absence. All right, so in that absence, there’s actually not—

Jamie (giggling): Wait a second. Say it again, Erik.

Jamie continues to giggle for several seconds.

Jamie: My lord, he talks so fast sometimes!

Me: I know! He’s a real chatterbox!

Erik: In that absence, there aren’t a lot of boundaries. It’s wide open. So anything that occurs, they’ll access it cuz they’re not putting their own conception on it.

Me: Yeah, I guess they don’t have any preconceived notions aside from after death nothingness, then.

Erik: Right. Okay, so get this. The hard core believers, they have these rules and these expectations and these lineups, and they get here and all of a sudden they can’t see half of what’s being presented to them, because they have a certain strict belief system.

Me: Um hm.

Erik: So they actually have more difficulty adjusting.

Jamie (chuckling): If that’s published—Holy cow! You know, I’ve never heard that question asked before. I think it’s brilliant, me, personally.

Me: I guess that’s going to rattle some chains.

Jamie: Oh, yeah, it’s going to REALLY rattle some chains.

Me: Good. Maybe some chains need to get rattled. Shake all the rust and dust off.

Erik: The people who require and enjoy the intense belief system, that’s the same as a baby needing to be swaddled.

Me: Erik! You’re going to get me into big trouble here!

Erik: Yeah, but if you swaddle that child for three years, four years, five years, what are you doing to that child, Mom?

Me: Yeah.

Erik: Totally smothering him. You’re not going to teach him how to walk. You’re keeping them bound. And that is what very strict religious beliefs can do.

Me: Yeah, I guess if someone hands us their own version of a map of some spiritual journey, we never create our own path to enlightenment and self-discovery. It’s like the Cliff Notes or GPS version. Spiritual evolution for Dummies. Not good.

Erik: I think it’s really smart for people to venture out on their own. They can still stay within their beliefs or in their religion—

Me: But they have to be accountable for their lives and their journey. It’s not always “God’s will.”

Erik: Yes, that’s right. You’re not gonna get a free pass. Free will comes with responsibility.

Me: Okay. And I know there’s no “Hell,” Right? I guess people can create their own hell, you know? Okay, I’m sorry, I shouldn’t be answering my own questions. Go for it, Erik.

Erik: That just goes back to what’s the definition of God. If God is in everything—and the definition of hell, people say, is to be away from God—

Me: Um hm.

Erik: Well, no can do! You can only believe in one or the other. So they’re already contradicting themselves. If God is All There Is, there can be no hell.

Tomorrow is all about TIME!

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  • Irina

    Wonderful! I hope that will give people some peace. Knowing that there is no Hell after all!!!

  • Jodi

    Wow. Just Wow. I have considered myself an atheist, yet I believe in the physics of an afterlife, if you all know what I mean. The science behind energy and quantum physics have always made more sense to me than any man-made book of “rules”. Doesn’t it make sense that our “higher power” is actually within ourselves? We just have to realize it, to find it and utilize it. For instance, a few years ago I had looked into recovery programs for addictions; each one was based in giving yourself up to this “higher authority” eg: God, like the King James version of God. When I asked if there were any programs that didn’t utilize this component, the woman was stunned. She didn’t believe you could kick an addiction without it. As you said, Elisa, people have to be accountable for their lives and their journey. I think we all have the power within us to reach enlightenment. We all have the power within us to overcome addiction, jealousy, hate, and resentment. Fractured humans have the power to heal themselves. Which is why I love Erik’s definition of God: it is everything, it is us, it is our environment and our world.

  • Steve

    In the Robert Monroe books, where he has astral traveled all over the place, he claims that really religious people can go to places where everyone is Southern Baptist, or Pentacostal, or radical Muslim, or whatnot. But it’s just a creation of like minds and very limiting. Once they realize there is more, and their guides can get through to them and they start to see more outside of their limited mindsets, they can move on to the Summerland, City of Lights, or wherever.

    So I guess we can sort of make our own mini heavens or hells if we have limited beliefs.

    I’d personally rather reunite with my soul group and experience everything I can -not just one kind of limited reality over there.

    • http://drmedhus.com Elisa

      Me too, Steve. How boring to float around on clouds strumming harps all day. (teehee)

  • Be Free My Angel

    Ok, so does the same go for Evil, I would think it does. Previously you or rather Erik had said that person’s of lower levels of enlightenment are what we on earth consider Evil.

    I’ve been trying to wrap my brain about this recently. If God is All and is Everywhere, then there is no Evil or Satan!!! Yeah!

    • http://drmedhus.com Elisa

      There is no evil. There is just a wide spectrum of spiritual evolution, all parts and wholes of God trying to experience Him/Herself. (I think.)

  • Elizabeth M

    Reminds me of that joke:
    An atheist dies and, to his surprise, he finds himself at the Pearly Gates with St. Peter there to greet him. The man says to St. Peter, “Is this Heaven?” and St. Peter says, “It is indeed.” The man is awed. “Well, I never would have believed it. May I come in?” So, St. Peter does a quick review of the man’s life and says, “yes, this is all in order,” opens the gate and lets him in. To the man’s utter amazement, Jesus himself arrives to greet him and they walk down a beautiful hallway with many elaborate doors and engage in animated conversation. As the approach a set of particularly impressive doors, Jesus suddenly puts his finger to his lips, takes his shoes off, and gestures to the atheist to do the same. Holding their shoes, they silently tiptoe past the doors and, once past, Jesus drops his shoes again, puts them on, and keeps walking. Confused, the man asks, “what was that all about?” “Oh,” Jesus says, “that’s where the (insert exclusive religious sect of your choice) live.” “Well why did we have to be so quiet?” “Oh,” says Jesus, “We just like to humor them. They think they’re the only ones here.”

    • http://drmedhus.com Elisa

      HAHAHAHAHA!!

  • Leo

    You might like to read Thomas Campbell’s “My Big TOE” (big theory of everything).

    Tom puts the whole thing into a scientific perspective. His idea of god is the Absolute Unbounded Oneness. More of a cellular digital consciousness. He describes both the physical matter reality (PMR) as well as the nonphysical matter reality(NPMR). The trilogy has 800 pages.
    If you have a logical, open and inquisitive mind you’ll enjoy this book that combines physics, metaphysics and philosophy.

    • http://drmedhus.com Elisa

      Leo, that’s one of my favorite books–I have the entire trilogy. I agree and recommend it wholeheartedly!

  • Skoshi

    Great minds think alike, Elizabeth M.! I was going to tell 2 jokes, the one you wrote being one of them. I’ll stick to just the other then:

    God’s walking around heaven one day and he sees that the devil built a fence between heaven and hell. (stop if you’ve heard this one)

    God demands that the devil take down the fence. The devil refuses. God says, if you don’t take down this fence, I’m going to sue you.

    Whereupon the devil falls over laughing and says, where are YOU going to find a lawyer!

    • http://drmedhus.com Elisa

      Ha! Another great one!!!

  • http://avalonrisen.com Ceridwen

    Okay, I’ve got one for ya… :)

    A Pagan dies and, to his great surprise, he finds himself standing before some pearly gates. The Pagan asks, “Where am I?”

    Peter says, “You’re at the gates of heaven.”

    The Pagan says, “But I don’t believe in heaven.”

    Peter frowns at him. “You’re one of those Pagans, aren’t you?”

    “Yes. I believe I’m in the wrong place; I’m supposed to go to Summerlands.”

    Peter says, “Sorry. We took over Summerlands, and it’s temporarily closed for remodeling.”

    “What should I do now?”

    Peter says, “Well, since we don’t allow Pagans in heaven, you have to go to hell. Sorry. Just follow that path that leads downward and to the left.”

    The Pagan walks down to hell, where the gates are standing open. He walks in and finds beautiful meadows, happy animals, and clear streams of water.

    He walks on in and begins exploring, and after a few minutes a courtly gentleman walks up to him and bows politely. “Hello, I’m Satan. You must be the guy that St. Peter phoned me about. Are you a Pagan?”

    “Yes, I am. What’s going to happen now?”

    Satan says, “Well, the fishing’s pretty good, if you enjoy that sort of thing. There’s a little refreshment stand down the road. And I believe the Pagan meeting grounds are right over the next hill.”

    Suddenly, a hole opens up in the sky above, and a yawning chasm opens directly underneath it. The stench of sulfur fills the air. Hundreds of screaming, tortured souls drop down into the flaming pit, which immediately closes up with a thud.

    The Pagan, hardly believing what he just saw, asks Satan, “And what was THAT ???”

    Satan rolls his eyes. “Oh, just ignore them. They’re Christians; they wouldn’t have it any other way.”

    • http://drmedhus.com Elisa

      Oh our rigid beliefs!!! Too funny!!

  • Thomas

    A priest was preparing a dying man for his ‘long day’s journey into night’.
    Whispering firmly, the priest says, “Denounce the devil! Let him know how little you think of his evil.”
    The dying man says nothing.
    The priest repeats his order again.
    Still, the dying man says nothing.
    The priest asks, “Why do you refuse to denounce the devil and his evil?”
    The dying man replies, “Until I know exactly where I’m headed, I don’t think it’s such a good idea to aggravate anybody just yet.”

    • http://drmedhus.com Elisa

      Ha ha!!!!

  • Shannon

    Hahaha! Skoshi, that’s great! I worked for an attorney for 4 years. He used to tell his devout Catholic girlfriend that he wasn’t allowed to walk through the doors of a church because he would burst into flames. :D

    S.

  • Patrick

    This is great to read, for the FIRST time in my life I see myself described right on…venturing out on my own beliefs. This is is exactly what I’ve lived.

    OK, Heaven jokes:

    Jesus sees St. Peter working too hard and orders him to take the next day off. At 8 AM sharp the next morning, Christ arrives at the Pearly Gates. Along comes the first “customer” of the day, an older gentlemen with small spectacles, gray hair, overalls and a beard. The new arrival can’t remember very much about Earth life and finally Jesus insists he talk about family; the old man suddenly brightens up and says “I had a son!” “Outstanding, outstanding” says Christ, “what else can you remember about him?” “Well” says the older gentleman, “my son was famous, became lost and also had something to do with my work.” “Which was?” Jesus eagerly asks. “Woodworking. I was a carpeneter and furniture maker.” They stare at each other for a moment and then Jesus slowly says “Dad??” and the Older Man blurts out “Pinocchio!!!” (I’ve enjoyed more than a few Catholic priests’ faces before the punchline arrives; the look of relief after the joke ends tells me maybe they’ve thought not to take it all so seriously all the time.)

    Joke 2: God is creating Earth with the promise to all souls who will experience it, that all things good and not-so-good will be fairly and evenly spread around. He’s working on __________ and all those around point out this nation-to-be has no risk of earthquake, tsunami, hurricane, no volcanoes and to top it off, has abundant resources almost unequalled by the other territories already planned. “Don’t worry” God says to calm concerns, “you haven’t yet seen the people I’m planning to send there.” (How sad there actually are citizens of some nations that laugh at this; they don’t see their collective free will and the cumulative effects of their choices; they blame the Heavens for their self created lot)

    Once again, so NICE to see myself described. Thanks Erik, Elisa and Jamie!!

    • http://drmedhus.com Elisa

      Haha, Pat, keep them jokes a comin’! (sorry, I’m still a Texas girl and sometimes things like this just leak out.)

  • Nina

    Elisa, Wow!

    I always knew that being overly-religious could cause you to become narrow-minded. Religion can be a good thing, but it can also control people. Makes me wonder where the Bible really came from. I’m not sure what to make of the Bible anymore…other than a piece of our history. I just feel like I need more proof. And anyway, in a part of The Old Testament it clearly states to stay away from psychics. My feeling has always been that if God gave you a gift to see certain things as a psychic does, then surely it’s not a “sin” as religious folks put it. Besides, Jesus claimed to hear God and got crucified. There’s no winning here!

    I know we each have a “life’s work” to accomplish in this life, but do you think part of our work here is to create our own opinions concerning spirituality?

    Elisa, I know I wrote to you before about my getting a psychic reading with Felix Lee Lerma, but I never told you about him channeling my grandfather. My grandfather was a very religious man–a devout Catholic–always preaching to the family about church and God. He said psychics were doing “the devil’s work.” I asked him if he was mad at me for seeing a psychic to speak to him, and he said this, “No. There were a lot of things I didn’t understand with the mind I had while I was on the earthly plane.” He’s actually a much more enlightened spirit than any of us in the family knew! It was nice to hear him admit something I always felt.

    Anywho, I loved this particular subject. The problem is that most of these super-religious people don’t want their beliefs questioned. I also wonder if a big part of religion being successful is the “need” for people to be a part of something, to fit in somewhere.

    Personally, I don’t get it. I’ve been pushed and pulled to a number of churches with different beliefs and been prayed over, cried on, spoken to in tongues and I gotta say I just don’t fancy it at all! It always seems too forced to me. I just wanna kick it with some normal people who, well, are like people on this site! Lol!

    Thanks for listening…
    *nina<—-let's kick it. :)

    • http://drmedhus.com Elisa

      I agree with you, Nina. We shouldn’t throw the baby out with the bath water where religion is concerned, because there are many benefits for many people. First, for many, it’s a nice social venue. Second, it’s a way to organize and deliver charity to those in need. Third, it you strip out the manmade distortions, the message if powerful and valuable: unconditional love, integrity, compassion, etc. I know lots of people who glean the good and dismiss the “bad” in their association with organized religion.

  • Skoshi

    : D
    I don’t know Shannon. On a not-funny take on things: it seems to me a lot of priests have probably been calling lawyers for help lately. The bet the Vatican has a phone line directly to in house counsel! Funny how a person can believe so strongly in Hellfire and still victimize others. A lot of food for thought.

  • Denise

    You guys made my morning. Thanks for the humor.

  • Be Free My Angel

    Hi Elisa – I was wondering, since I had my daughter cremated, is there a preferrable way that we honor our loved ones body after they pass. There are so many rituals with death and dying, I’d be really interested to hear what Erik say’s about it. Is there a certain amount of time that needs to pass before burial, etc. for the spirit to detach from the body, should we bury the body vs cremation, etc. Thanks and Love you ♥

    • http://drmedhus.com Elisa

      Well, BFMA, he says when we die, we couldn’t care less about what happens with our bodies any more than we’d care about an old pair of jeans we outgrew. It means nothing to them. For him, personally, he thought it was silly to bury him in the ground, because it was so expensive compared to cremation. They don’t care about whether we spread their ashes in certain places either. These sort of decisions and rituals are all for those they leave behind. I buried Erik so we could have a quiet place to channel him, to cry, to reminisce, etc. It’s all personal preference, but the deceased couldn’t care less!

  • Skoshi

    I did hospice work and worked through various churches’ agencies before becoming a lawyer, and we were taught that research shows that 90+% of people who start going to church are there because they’re going through a crisis situation. It is awfully comforting to have someone else do the heavy thinking for a while and just go with the flow. Just think how challenging it is to make spiritual and ethical decisions!

  • Jason

    BFMA- Emily just said to me as I was reading your post; “Mommy that old body wasn’t me. I am me now! I am the little girl in your heart, I am the little voice that whispers I love you, I am the little light over the cake, I am the baby in your dream, I am all ears for you and my hands are on your shoulders! Honor all us us in your hearts and minds; we’re not dead. Don’t go be sad in some old cemetery or cry over a pot of ash. We are alive and with you now!”

    *from Jason~On a side note. I have read that some afterlife researchers recommend waiting 2-3 days before cremation to give the spirit a chance to fully detach physically and emotionally from the body. But Erik says that’s just another “view from a certain perspective”. In reality there is no such thing as a set time frame and we can not in any shape or fashion harm spirit by anything we do to a body. It’s totally up to the Spirit on what they want to do. If they want to linger, they are allowed. If they want to go right to life review then they do. The needs of the dis-incarnate never infringe upon the needs of the incarnate. Meaning if you need a certain ritual or end of life decision-that it is just fine. Take it with a grain of salt. It’s just what I’ve read and what Erik has told me.

  • Be Free My Angel

    Thank you Jason, my grandmother who was a spiritualist asked that we wait 3 day’s before cremation, wich she wanted and I did so with my daughter too, but I had no idea why wait 3 days. I figured it was so the spirit can orient themselves. After she passed while still holding her I asked her for a sign, as you know birds are one of her favorites, and about an hour after she passed I went out to get her a dress, white, beautiful like a christening dress and frilly socks with cute hair clips (I hadn’t given any thought about it either, after she passed I just knew that is what I had to do and knew where to go to find it), as I was walking out to the parking lot in the hospital a bird was loudly chirping, and fluffing it’s feathers. I sat and just watched, cool I thought. Then during her cremation after viewing, I waited outside right where the outlet was for the vent and there was a bird again, chirping wildly and fluffing it’s feathers. I have no doubt that was her. So she was an hour after her passing able to communicate with me, that is pretty cool. However, I still felt the need, and the wanting to treat her body with respect and I had to follow her body to the funeral home, just had to, I couldn’t imagine her being alone, don’t know why. Mabe a mommy thing mabe her? So in looking at all the traditions and how in most religions cremations is frowned upon I wondered why, mabe there was a good spiritual reason for it. Guess it’s more for us then them though.

    • http://drmedhus.com Elisa

      Yes, BFMA, I think is it more for us than for them. After all, we’re still here, stuck in the illusion that is filled with traditions, rigid beliefs and other comforts. When our world seems to be teetering on the edge from such tragedies, we cling to what we know and trust and need–like a blanky for a child.

  • http://channelingmyself.com Todd

    At the time of my dad’s death he was a Jehovah’s Witness. When I started to accept the idea and finally come to the conclusion that there was life after death, I really wondered what happened to him, what he must have went through. For anyone who doesn’t know, Jehovah’s Witnesses don’t believe in a soul that goes on after death.

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