Channeling Erik

April11th

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Abortions, Stillbirths and Miscarriages

Posted in: Abortion, After Death Communication, Channeling, Communication from the dead, Contact with the dead, Death of a Child, Grief, Grieving, Human Experience, Infant death, Messages from the dead, Psychic medium, Stillbirth, Suicide

First, I want ot apologize for the technical glitch in yesterday’s post. The audio file code wouldn’t work, so I know a lot of you couldn’t listen to Lisa’s interview. But it’s all fixed now, so I invite you to go back and listen to her words of wisdom!

Channeling Transcript

Me: Okay, Erik, what about abortions? Why do some souls choose to be aborted, and why do some parents choose to abort their pregnancies? Now, I’m talking about on a spiritual level, of course. Are there lessons or anything like that involved?

Erik: Oh, there’s always a lesson involved, Mom. Always. Usually, the lesson is for the mother. Did you know that a child actually has thoughts in the mom’s womb?

Me: Oh, sure! Of course.

Erik: Some kids even know consciously that they’re be coming into a world that will be filled with abuse or harshness. It’s the mother’s lesson to learn.

Jeannie: That’s interesting, and I’ll have to tell you a story. I had a girlfriend who told me that she literally remembers being in her mother’s womb and thinking to herself, ‘I don’t want to do this. I don’t want this,’ because she knew that she was coming into a life of neglect and abuse.

Me: Wow! Now, is that one of the reasons behind miscarriages and stillbirths, but also of abortions? It seems like souls who have second thoughts on facing those challenges might want to bail early, but with abortion, it’s the choice of the parents or at least the mom.

Erik: Yeah, if the child decides they can’t do it or they don’t want to do it, then, yeah, a stillbirth or miscarriage can happen, but—

Jeannie: My friend remember thinking that right before she came out and so it was too late for a stillbirth or miscarriage.

Me: Oh!

Jeannie: And it happened; she didn’t have a very good childhood.

Me: Aw, poor thing. But I guess that was by design. But, certainly some souls become stillborn or miscarry because they want to teach the parents about loss, right?

(Pause)

Me: Or maybe they want to learn about how precious the opportunity is to incarnate and have the human experience, or maybe they want to teach others about the sanctity of human life.

Erik: It can be. It can involve lessons for the incoming soul or the mother. With stillbirths, it’s often to teach the mom about the sanctity of life. Or it could be for so many different other reasons. SO many reasons.

Me: Okay.

Erik: But usually abortions are to teach the mom about how important it is to cherish life, like maybe in a past life they didn’t really take it seriously. Maybe they took their own life; maybe they let someone die by not watching out over them, um, or taking care of them. Maybe they out and out killed someone before and didn’t feel the remorse they should have felt. So, when they have to take the life of their own child, it’s sometimes a helluva hard lesson.

Me: But some people don’t seem to be emotionally all that affected when they have abortions.

Erik (laughing): Oh really? How do you know?

Me (laughing): You got me there! I guess I really have no idea. I just know that when I lost my baby pretty late in the pregnancy, I was devastated for a long, long time. But some women who have abortions, they don’t feel like it’s really a life, you know, at least not early on. Of course that’s a topic with very polarized views, so I’m not going to get into that one.

Erik: Yeah, and stillbirths and miscarriages can be a lesson for the mom, too. Some souls will design a life where they’ll experience a tragic loss like that—usually it’s a more highly evolved soul who wants to cram in a lot of shit to make sure it’s their last lifetime. That’s why you had all those losses this lifetime, Mom.

Me: Yeah, it sucks too. I get it, already!

Erik: And sometimes miscarriages and stillbirths are cuz the souls changes their mind about coming into that life, like I said before.

Me: Okay, Baby.

Next, we start talking more about the spiritual basis of various diseases! I know, I know, we’ve had some pretty dark subjects of late, but listen to this song by Jessie J. and it’ll make it all better. Promise. Think of it as encapsulating all we’ve discussed about positive thoughts, priorities, and what we are here to do.

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  • Denise

    When my daughter was born 25 years ago she was fine during the labor but as soon as she popped out there was no heart beat. The midwife performed cpr and she started back up. She tells me now she didn’t really want to come here but she stayed and has had a pretty good life for it.

  • nikki

    FUN SONG! Great pick me up for a rainy day Monday.
    Elisa I know I have said this many times but we have soooo much in common. I too lost a baby (stillbirth 21 weeks), we both lost an Eric around age 20 to suicide. I also lost a twin to my daughter via miscarriage. So technically I had the 6 kids I so badly wanted.
    I can’t imagine that I needed that many reminders or lessons re loss. But I am stubborn, lol. Maybe I am finally getting it? I certainly hope so!

  • Yvonne

    This is a very hard one to swallow.
    Is Erik saying that ALL victims of killing choose that before they come here? The victims of murder, or homicide, or war-killing, or abortion, choose that before coming to earth in order to teach a lesson? What is the point then? Why worry about morality? You chose to be killed! Sounds like the Jesus story again and again.

    • http://drmedhus.com Elisa

      Of course not. There are many permutations possible–infinite in fact. And the free will of others and oneself all make the possibilities more complex. Erik never insinuated that all victims of killing choose this fate.

  • Aether

    My sister (before me, between my sister and myself) was stillborn, she’s been with me it seems throughout my life. My parents said they only wanted 2 children, I wouldn’t be here I guess if Sarah had survived, you can’t help but wonder who you might be if things had been different with something like that…perhaps Erik could try and find her? She doesn’t have a face to remember, I know it’s something I wonder about. How does she look now? How is it her choice to look, you know? Always wondered these things…

  • Be Free My Angel

    I had too early misscairages and I was so sad, when they left even though they were only barely over a month old. It’s like they hung around a little bit to let me know it’s ok and they still loved me. I wonder if my youngest daughter was one of them. She always tells me she knows I will leave her. Mabe the two are not related but I’ve always wondered. I love the song one of my favorites….

  • Hiral

    i was wondering if anyone can throw some light on premature babies who survive….

  • http://channelingerik Pat

    I have read in many places and even on here it was discussed that a new spirit may come in to the woman’s womb at any stage of the pregnancy. Some new spirits even pop into the womb right at delivery.

    If a woman loses a fetus due to abortion, miscarriage, etc. long before birth, then this may even be a non-issue regarding any new spirit being involved if it wasn’t even “present” so to speak at the time. So the lesson may have been learned by the mother even without the presence of any new spirit. This also means that a “contract” in heaven may have been made just with your Higher Self to learn this lesson.

    This really blows my mind and makes so much sense how our Higher Self alone can create scenarios for us to learn.

    And, by the way Elisa, I had an abortion when I was in college and I suffered gravely due to it. It probably took me 20-30 years to finally deal with it. That was a very dark period in my life and an extremely hard lesson to learn. It is difficult for me to even admit it today. But it helps me tremendously to know that perhaps this was a contract with my Higher Self to learn a very valuable lesson.

    Thank you Elisa and Erik for sharing this with us today. I don’t think you really realize how much all the information you are providing is helping so many people on so many different levels.

    I love you guys.

  • Steve

    Jeannie/Erik didn’t get too deep into abortions but the teachings here are in alignment with much of what I’ve read. The soul usually knows it’s going to be aborted, so it IS a lesson for the mother – a loving sacrifice for the soul, who is only incarnation for that very brief time as a fetus.
    Abortion is such a tricky subject. I am not a woman, or a parent, so I can’t even imagine what that experience would be like. Spiritually, everything happens for a reason, everything is about lessons, right? Souls are eternal. The abortion experience is truly a lesson for many, and has many different nuances.

  • Debbie B

    Shirley Maclaine Alert! I just say the last 1/2 hour of the Shirley interview on Oprah. She is way past cool! Any of you who are not on EST-you can probably catch the show at some point today OR maybe can find it on Oprahs Website.

    • http://drmedhus.com Elisa

      Dang I missed it!!!!

  • Susan

    Love the song (fun) :-) Susanxox

  • Debbie B

    Elisa log on to Oprah.com There are video snipets of the interview there. Especially interesting is the segment about her home and what she believes about 2012. Maybe they will post the entire show tomorrow or later in the week. Enjoy!

    • http://drmedhus.com Elisa

      Ooo, thanks Debbie!

  • Patrick

    @Hiral: Our daughter was born at 24 weeks (vs the typical 40 week term) 787gr/1lb 10oz, transparent skin, her head was about the size of a tennis ball and she was about 12 inches “tall”. She is now a HS student. We were told during her first few months she had a 50/50 chance of MD and MS (muscular dystrophy, multiple sclerosis) which really means “coin toss” because the doctors simply cannot predict.
    The challenge was mostly for us as her parents. Until the 6th grade she could outsprint every other student in school, girls AND boys.

    The lessons aren’t for the premature children in most cases and for us they were for us as parents. I can’t describe what our daughter has taught me, so I won’t even try (for me, that’s saying a LOT).

    Unless the prematurity results in a long term affliction, the lesson of prematurity is for Mom and Dad.

    The lesson for us was to see beyond other people’s perceptions, opinions and to look beyond their reaction. Criticism and disapproval of your children from teachers, doctors (that particular one never occurred to us BTW) and peers is as devastating a feeling as there is – TRUST ME. It is also as LIBERATING a feeling as exists, and what it’s given me specifically is the ability to look above pride, beyond pity and around approval.
    My sometimes comments on this blog probably show a bit of that; I have ZERO concern for being associated with what could be considered a kooky conspiracy theory when I know there are material elements of truth in it. It is very tough for many people to face disapproval from strangers, let alone friends, colleagues and family for their ideas and opinions.
    My daughter has given me that ability.
    I’ve also gotten the feeling – and have been told after that – she was born for a very important purpose and part of my life’s work is to raise her in preparation for it; she will be of great value to humankind. I can see a light in her soul that few possess, even at her young age of 18…..she is wise beyond human expectation.

  • http://lovealfine.tumblr.com Alfine

    While we’re still on Shirley Maclaine alert, I know you all would enjoy her book “Sageing While Aging” if you haven’t already :)

  • Skoshi
  • Donna W

    Shirley Maclaine is on the today show today.

  • dollparts

    I still don’t understand what the lesson of abortion would be? I’ll always be pro-choice, no matter what..(sorry if this offends anyone)

    • http://www.channelingerik.com Elisa Medhus, MD

      I’ll ask Sweetie!

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